Finsbury Park

[amusingduck]

berlintaxi said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

Maybe when the attack is orchestrated or influenced by an organisation of some sort?

It's difficult to define, really.

[Elroy Blue]

SystemParanoia said:

Most of the usual suspects can be ignored. You just need a permanent ban.

[berlintaxi]

craigjm said:

berlintaxi said:

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

When it meets the definition set out in the terrorism act....

[quote] (1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where-
(a) the action falls within subsection (2),
(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation][2] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious[, racial][3] or ideological cause.
(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-
(a) involves serious violence against a person,
(b) involves serious damage to property,
(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

Pretty much meets the criteria for a terrorist attack then?

[saaby93]

bhstewie said:

Must admit when I heard Police were treating it as a terror incident I did find myself trying to define the line at which it goes from being an angry/deranged nutter to a "terrorist" attack and I'm genuinely unsure.

How long do detention orders under the mental health act last?
They seem to happen without needing to go before a court

[mickk]

BlackLabel said:

This 'them and us' mentally that we're increasingly seeing is clearly what the perpetrators of such attacks want to see.

So true.

[poo at Paul's]

Sounds like it may be more wkers trying to fk things up for others just going about their business.

But the two guys running off sounds odd. If it were terrorist nutters would they not have jumped out with baseball bats and knives or something?

So it may not be as straightforward as it first seems.

RIP to the person killed.

[PositronicRay]

berlintaxi said:

craigjm said:

berlintaxi said:

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

When it meets the definition set out in the terrorism act....

[quote] (1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where-
(a) the action falls within subsection (2),
(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation][2] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious[, racial][3] or ideological cause.
(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-
(a) involves serious violence against a person,
(b) involves serious damage to property,
(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

Pretty much meets the criteria for a terrorist attack then?

I find this one difficult as well, terror attacks tend to be indiscriminate, hate crimes are targeted against a specific group.

Tricky one to call IMO

[Oakey]

The police say It's too early to tell if the death was a result of this or whether it was due to what he was being attended for prior to the guy driving into them.

[rscott]

Sick individuals celebrating the attack on Twitter:

[SystemParanoia]

berlintaxi said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

ask everyone in northern ireland

[andy_s]

Sounds like the person that died was receiving first aid prior to the attack.

[Oakey]

rscott said:

Sick individuals celebrating the attack on Twitter:

Do you get paid to post this stuff? You wouldn't have posted that if it was the other way around, would you?

[RedTrident]

I recall the way Jo Cox's murder was reported. Terrorism is terrorism.

[WinstonWolf]

Driver101 said:

SystemParanoia said:

gooner1 said:

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

why has he be taken to a plush hospital instead of a cell ?

nice to see how they treat the privileged

Could it be that the attende's of the Mosque had already made a citizens arrest.
Or are you asking why the worship ers did'nt shot him?

In one thread you're lambasting the police for showing a little aggression and using a swear word in a situation, now you're doing the same for not shooting a guy.

Very contradicting.

Hopefully the moderators will ban you from this thread like the Grenfell tower thread. You really are a grade A clown.

He wasn't keen on the police shouting at teenagers, now he's complaining when they didn't "pop a cap in his ass"

[poo at Paul's]

andy_s said:

Sounds like the person that died was receiving first aid prior to the attack.

Sounds a bit odd?

The guys running off plus a driver who was detained by locals. Maybe it was a dreadful accident and not some deliberate act at all?

Interesting the BBC have a strap line about him shouting "I want to kill muslims" whearas two other reports I read mention one guys saying the driver said nothing and another saying he had heard someone claim he shouted something, but that he did not hear it.

[saaby93]

Piecing together bits and pieces - how much of this is true
Guy coming out of mosque collapses, people gather around to help,ambulance takes an hour to arrive
white van drives into crowd - deliberate or accidental?
two guys run off
one guy sat upon by crowd after shouting death to muslims?

[poo at Paul's]

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

why has he be taken to a plush hospital instead of a cell ?

nice to see how they treat the privileged

You seem to be the privileged one, why the fk you haven't been banned from PH yet, I just done know. Where's that guy with the hotline to Hessletine's secretary when we need him?

[rscott]

Oakey said:

rscott said:

Sick individuals celebrating the attack on Twitter:

Do you get paid to post this stuff? You wouldn't have posted that if it was the other way around, would you?

I don't recall you complaining when others posted similar images of tweets in support of the terror attacks in London?

[98elise]

poo at Paul's said:

andy_s said:

Sounds like the person that died was receiving first aid prior to the attack.

Sounds a bit odd?

The guys running off plus a driver who was detained by locals. Maybe it was a dreadful accident and not some deliberate act at all?

Interesting the BBC have a strap line about him shouting "I want to kill muslims" whearas two other reports I read mention one guys saying the driver said nothing and another saying he had heard someone claim he shouted something, but that he did not hear it.

Witnesses are saying a man had a heart attack prior to the incident and was receiving first aid. It sounds like the attack then happened in exactly the same location.

[Colonial]

poo at Paul's said:

Sounds a bit odd?

The guys running off plus a driver who was detained by locals. Maybe it was a dreadful accident and not some deliberate act at all?

Interesting the BBC have a strap line about him shouting "I want to kill muslims" whearas two other reports I read mention one guys saying the driver said nothing and another saying he had heard someone claim he shouted something, but that he did not hear it.

Sky news were reporting it as well. As well as him saying "I've done my bit".

Sorry for interrupting your usual BBC are biased innit rant.