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WinstonWolf said:
wsurfa said:
wc98 said:
B'stard Child said:
Yours don't leak?
Mine replaced a pair of Frank Thomas boots - I could walk all day in them and they never felt uncomfortable - they were resoled 3 times in 30 years and never leaked I was utterly gutted when the stitching actually rotted and they were falling apart.
So having had a pair of boots that had lasted 30 years and knowing in general that quality has gone down in line with price I pushed the boat out and bought a pair of Alpinestars that were technically well outside my lambrusco budget with champagne tastes
To say they have been a disappointment is an understatement...................
And they f
king leak!!!
i prefer sidi black rain boots for wet weather riding. had mine for longer than i care to remember ,though the right boot was ruined on the first pair doing a track day on a cbr 400 with tired suspension at knockhill . the cure for that problem at the time was a new pair of boots and a new gsxr 750 ,well thought out solution that my wife couldn't argue with Mine replaced a pair of Frank Thomas boots - I could walk all day in them and they never felt uncomfortable - they were resoled 3 times in 30 years and never leaked I was utterly gutted when the stitching actually rotted and they were falling apart.
So having had a pair of boots that had lasted 30 years and knowing in general that quality has gone down in line with price I pushed the boat out and bought a pair of Alpinestars that were technically well outside my lambrusco budget with champagne tastes
To say they have been a disappointment is an understatement...................
And they f
king leak!!!
Stickyfinger said:
Whom am I to call out to march then Alpine ?
Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
Funny...I know lots of muslims feel the same way when exactly the same accusations are levied against them......Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
Countdown said:
Stickyfinger said:
Whom am I to call out to march then Alpine ?
Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
Funny...I know lots of muslims feel the same way when exactly the same accusations are levied against them......Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
BIANCO said:
What do you mean you don't think being kicked and beaten to death is not being brutally murdered? We don't have the death penalty in this country and if we did we wouldn't torture them to death.
Nicely avoiding the main point of my post. Do younthink the terrorist scum who committed the London & Westminster Bridge attacks were brutally murdered too? Emotions run high when something like that happens and I'm damn sure you'd be nominating someone for a knighthood if they had got hold of any of the terrorists at the bridges and killed them.
Stickyfinger said:
Countdown said:
Stickyfinger said:
Whom am I to call out to march then Alpine ?
Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
Funny...I know lots of muslims feel the same way when exactly the same accusations are levied against them......Which group do you thinks needs to step out ?
Help me out here and I will see what connections I can activate...
Countdown said:
They get accused of being complicit in terrorist actions because they're not our marching or protesting.
Not by me....such accusations are daft.Do you think letters and speeches by Imams/ Bishops/ Rabbi's etc and community leaders denouncing radical thinking reduces the risk of people being radicalised within their "flocks" and assist cohesion and trust between the various "sections" of the British public ?
Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 23 June 12:58
Gavia said:
BIANCO said:
What do you mean you don't think being kicked and beaten to death is not being brutally murdered? We don't have the death penalty in this country and if we did we wouldn't torture them to death.
Nicely avoiding the main point of my post. Do younthink the terrorist scum who committed the London & Westminster Bridge attacks were brutally murdered too? Emotions run high when something like that happens and I'm damn sure you'd be nominating someone for a knighthood if they had got hold of any of the terrorists at the bridges and killed them.
Stickyfinger said:
Do you think letters and speeches by Imams/ Bishops/ Rabbi's etc and community leaders denouncing radical thinking reduce the risk of people being radicalised within their "flocks" and assist cohesion and trust between the various "sections" of the British public ?
My kneejerk reaction would be to say no. But it's certainly the case that the end of the troubles in Northern Ireland were hastened by priests and vicars altering their stance to one of denouncement.Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 23 June 12:57
p1stonhead said:
But, but, but, but ................... I don't accept it. My definition is what should be applied and I'm not saying what that is in case it results in a ban. I may as well get this in for the apologists in advance
Gavia said:
p1stonhead said:
But, but, but, but ................... I don't accept it. My definition is what should be applied and I'm not saying what that is in case it results in a ban. I may as well get this in for the apologists in advance
Terrorism-related murder and Attempted murder
The judge will decide which to accept.
Stickyfinger said:
Countdown said:
They get accused of being complicit in terrorist actions because they're not our marching or protesting.
Not by me....such accusations are daft.Stickyfinger said:
Do you think letters and speeches by Imams/ Bishops/ Rabbi's etc and community leaders denouncing radical thinking reduces the risk of people being radicalised within their "flocks" and assist cohesion and trust between the various "sections" of the British public ?
Absolutely. However you do get some people who will still condemn Imams/Bishops/Rabbis for not denouncing radicalis/extremism even when you can provide umpteen links to the contrary.Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 23 June 12:58
BIANCO said:
They where running around with knifes killing people, a on going threat and need to be stopped. And they where stopped in the fastest most effective way available. If they gave up and or was neutralise then people ran up and kicked them to death then yes they would have been brutally murdered.
Once someone is no longer a threat, in a modern western society we ideally restrain them and allow the justice system to deal with them. We don't do mob justice it's what separates us from the backwards st holes around the rest of the world. But we seem to be in a race to the bottom in competition on who can be the most tolerant and virtuous.
What a load of BS. For all we know he jumped out of the van and was immediately jumped on by the crowd to prevent him going on a stabbing spree. You're making yourself look foolish, as you'd be defending anyone who attacked the London Bridge terrorists. Once someone is no longer a threat, in a modern western society we ideally restrain them and allow the justice system to deal with them. We don't do mob justice it's what separates us from the backwards s
t holes around the rest of the world. But we seem to be in a race to the bottom in competition on who can be the most tolerant and virtuous. What's your view of Roy Larner for example? Thug or hero?
Amd again you betray your true feelings with "backwards s
tholes" comment, alongside the view that being tolerant is a race to the bottom. Countdown said:
Would that not also assist in the "trust" of other groups, would that not show everybody the power of peace ?
The "Mothers" protests against ALL the terrorists worked in NI did it not ?
It is not in any way a demand (as some sad feckers here would try and claim I make), it just seems to me a logical and bloody effective thing to do......win win win as I see it.
Stickyfinger said:
Countdown said:
Would that not also assist in the "trust" of other groups, would that not show everybody the power of peace ?
The "Mothers" protests against ALL the terrorists worked in NI did it not ?
It is not in any way a demand (as some sad feckers here would try and claim I make), it just seems to me a logical and bloody effective thing to do......win win win as I see it.
Edited by Alpinestars on Friday 23 June 13:40
Stickyfinger said:
If the leaders can have such an effect....why not a bigger effect by the whole community acting as one against those nutters who shield themselves within whichever community ?
Would that not also assist in the "trust" of other groups, would that not show everybody the power of peace ?
The "Mothers" protests against ALL the terrorists worked in NI did it not ?
It is not in any way a demand (as some sad feckers here would try and claim I make), it just seems to me a logical and bloody effective thing to do......win win win as I see it.
You seem to be missing the key point though. ISIS kill Muslims every day and in far greater numbers than they kill any other religion. Why should a group, who themselves are being killed en masse have to protest en masse against those who are killing them to show they disagree?Would that not also assist in the "trust" of other groups, would that not show everybody the power of peace ?
The "Mothers" protests against ALL the terrorists worked in NI did it not ?
It is not in any way a demand (as some sad feckers here would try and claim I make), it just seems to me a logical and bloody effective thing to do......win win win as I see it.
Gavia said:
You seem to be missing the key point though. ISIS kill Muslims every day and in far greater numbers than they kill any other religion. Why should a group, who themselves are being killed en masse have to protest en masse against those who are killing them to show they disagree?
They don't have to protest. They just have to stop turning a blind eye to extreme preachers radicalising their kids. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff