Fruit grower voted Leave - sorry now!
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crankedup said:
Seems to me that you also have an outlook on workers that is Daily Mail inspired.
"Workers"? I've been talking about a group of people who AREN'T workers. And if you think I'm calling the scroungers or blaming them for their predicament, a la the DM, then you've got the wrong end of the stick yet again.Yipper said:
Hundreds of industries have gone to the wall in Britain in the last 100 years, but none were due to a shortage of workers.
From manufacturing to agriculture to services, industries (like ships) have disappeared due to a severe shortage of *good managers* and good civil servants. Poor quality, low productivity, week training, low investment, slack laws, etc. etc.
It is the British Disease.
Mr Fruit Picker is a prime example. Crying into his strawberry punnet about going bust, and doing nothing, instead of thinking 5 years ahead and buying agrobots to replace them and increase productivity.
None of them went bust due to being undercut in a global market by Asian countries with pittance pay and next to no health & safety or workers' rights then?From manufacturing to agriculture to services, industries (like ships) have disappeared due to a severe shortage of *good managers* and good civil servants. Poor quality, low productivity, week training, low investment, slack laws, etc. etc.
It is the British Disease.
Mr Fruit Picker is a prime example. Crying into his strawberry punnet about going bust, and doing nothing, instead of thinking 5 years ahead and buying agrobots to replace them and increase productivity.
B'stard Child said:
condor said:
Many years ago - there was a great day out for youngsters with pick your own 
Most got eaten before paying though
As a student I picked peas one year - I must admit I found them quite tasty but did I ever get a serious stomach ache as a resultMost got eaten before paying though
Apparently peas are one of the most tightly managed crops there are, so he says it's not unusual to, for example, drive home after a meal out on a Saturday night past acres of peas, then drive out to play tennis on the Sunday morning and discover that they've all been picked through the night!
Kermit power said:
wc98 said:
every single traditional holiday period in the uk was initially arranged around the various harvesting seasons .
Really? What gets harvested at Easter and Christmas then?Kermit power said:
wc98 said:
every single traditional holiday period in the uk was initially arranged around the various harvesting seasons .
Really? What gets harvested at Easter and Christmas then?At Easter ... chocolate eggs?
wc98 said:
Kermit power said:
wc98 said:
every single traditional holiday period in the uk was initially arranged around the various harvesting seasons .
Really? What gets harvested at Easter and Christmas then?ATG said:
It's not a jaundiced view. Have you ever spent any time trying to help long-term unemployed people get into work? Try it yourself or speak to someone who has. The problems are not potential employers or the wages on offer. I'm afraid it's usually squarely in the head of the unemployed person. Pick and mix from wildly unrealistic expectations, no grasp that most work is quite hard and fairly dull, no grasp that doing what you are asked to do is not optional, fatalism bordering on mental illness, an astounding ability to misinterpret feedback, defensiveness bordering on mental illness. The time and effort required to nurse these people into employability is huge. It's social care, and you cannot expect the private sector to shoulder that.
Very good post, I also like this.Could I also suggest that most EU fans also share a similar mentality.
ATG said:
crankedup said:
Seems to me that you also have an outlook on workers that is Daily Mail inspired.
"Workers"? I've been talking about a group of people who AREN'T workers. And if you think I'm calling the scroungers or blaming them for their predicament, a la the DM, then you've got the wrong end of the stick yet again.jjlynn27 said:
I'd urge people who think that everyone will work and that the only problem is the money on offer to join any of the charities that are trying to help long-term unemployed.
I would assume that no serious problem in society can be resolved purely by money alone but I would think it helps.Serious question.....do the "feckless" actually / actively engage with charities in trying to get them into work?
alfie2244 said:
Oh you struck a chord alright.
You just like to nuance your insults whereas I am quite open when I do it...read back and see if you arrogance will allow you to see where you might have insulted me.
Reading back through the various posts I would have to say that [b]cmoose[b] does seem to have a number of valid points. It's actually quite refreshing to see these issues discussed from a different point of view. You just like to nuance your insults whereas I am quite open when I do it...read back and see if you arrogance will allow you to see where you might have insulted me.
Robertj21a said:
alfie2244 said:
Oh you struck a chord alright.
You just like to nuance your insults whereas I am quite open when I do it...read back and see if you arrogance will allow you to see where you might have insulted me.
Reading back through the various posts I would have to say that [b]cmoose[b] does seem to have a number of valid points. It's actually quite refreshing to see these issues discussed from a different point of view. You just like to nuance your insults whereas I am quite open when I do it...read back and see if you arrogance will allow you to see where you might have insulted me.
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