Grenfell - Who pays

[anonymous-user]

A fire extinguisher could come in handy for breaking a window. Not so great if the window is high up. You can nip a small fire with an extinguisher, but you can't fight a fire that has really got going with one.

I have twice awoken in a house on fire, once as a child, once as an adult. Both episodes ended with wet bums as we sat in damp gardens and waited for the rapidly attending firefighters to tell us it was ok to go back inside. On each occasion fire extinguishers were initially used by one person (in each case the person who had accidentally started the fire) while the others legged it.

I have an extinguisher in every car I own, ancient or modern. Might just save the engine if I react super fast and pull over when smoke starts from under the bonnet. Might not be much use if crashed and on fire save for breaking a window to escape through if able.

[Earthdweller]

Breadvan72 said:

A fire extinguisher could come in handy for breaking a window. Not so great if the window is high up. You can nip a small fire with an extinguisher, but you can't fight a fire that has really got going with one.

I have twice awoken in a house on fire, once as a child, once as an adult. Both episodes ended with wet bums as we sat in damp gardens and waited for the rapidly attending firefighters to tell us it was ok to go back inside. On each occasion fire extinguishers were initially used by one person (in each case the person who had accidentally started the fire) while the others legged it.

I have an extinguisher in every car I own, ancient or modern. Might just save the engine if I react super fast and pull over when smoke starts from under the bonnet. Might not be much use if crashed and on fire save for breaking a window to escape through if able.

A “life hammer” is what you need

I have one in all the cars plus one in the house

It will cut your seatbelt free and punch out your window

Absolute lifesaver

[anonymous-user]

Yes. Proper small aeroplanes have cool escape axes. Also useful for being a serial killer on the side.

[pequod]

The scope of phase 2 of the inquiry is here;

https://assets.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/List%20...

Section 11 specifically deals with the fire and part (a), ''What was the cause and seat of the fire?'' may answer the question why the fridge/freezer caught fire. Phase 2 will also examine what the fire and safety measures were within the building at the time.

So I await the publication of Part 2 for some answers as to what happened within the flat on that dreadful night.

[R Mutt]

Why did they rehome someone who said he was squatting in the hallway anyway?

https://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-man-who-...

[XCP]

R Mutt said:

Why did they rehome someone who said he was squatting in the hallway anyway?

https://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-man-who-...

It makes one wonder. Is PTSD that easy to fake ?

[kev1974]

R Mutt said:

Why did they rehome someone who said he was squatting in the hallway anyway?

https://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-man-who-...

Because (1) the local council were an absolute joke with no proper knowledge or control over who was actually living in there whether legally or illegally (subletting etc); and then (2) shortly after the fire it all went nuts down at the town hall, with mobs trying to storm council meetings and so on, throwing racism/poverty cards out all over the place, Lily Allen and other knowitalls having a very vocal say too, it was chaos. So the council and the government went into full panic mode and just started throwing money and free hotel rooms at everyone that asked.

Why they let it go on so long and didn't have a decent handle within a few weeks on who was a genuine resident and who wasn't, is the mystery, I guess it became major treading on eggshells time.

[Not-The-Messiah]

kev1974 said:

R Mutt said:

Why did they rehome someone who said he was squatting in the hallway anyway?

https://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-man-who-...

Because (1) the local council were an absolute joke with no proper knowledge or control over who was actually living in there whether legally or illegally (subletting etc); and then (2) shortly after the fire it all went nuts down at the town hall, with mobs trying to storm council meetings and so on, throwing racism/poverty cards out all over the place, Lily Allen and other knowitalls having a very vocal say too, it was chaos. So the council and the government went into full panic mode and just started throwing money and free hotel rooms at everyone that asked.

Why they let it go on so long and didn't have a decent handle within a few weeks on who was a genuine resident and who wasn't, is the mystery, I guess it became major treading on eggshells time.

^This and in the wake of the windrush stuff they would have been scared to death of saying no to the wrong person so they just said yes to everyone.

[Ratski83]

XCP said:

It makes one wonder. Is PTSD that easy to fake ?

It’s very in fashion at the moment with the troubled child slebs and the virtue signalling snowflake generation who post all their woes on social media.

Would be interesting to compare the PTSD of say Keira Knightley struggling to come to terms with her child fame and someone who has been to war in Iraq and seen all sorts of horrors.

[WindyMills]

pequod said:

The scope of phase 2 of the inquiry is here;

https://assets.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/List%20...

Section 11 specifically deals with the fire and part (a), ''What was the cause and seat of the fire?'' may answer the question why the fridge/freezer caught fire. Phase 2 will also examine what the fire and safety measures were within the building at the time.

So I await the publication of Part 2 for some answers as to what happened within the flat on that dreadful night.

As a surveyor, I hope the "who was responsible for this" sections reflect the reality.

[Trevatanus]

Dany Cotton has paid the ultimate price it seems.
Seems like a very sad end to her career, and being made something of a scapegoat, from what I can gather, simply for saying that she did her job right on the night.

[Cupramax]

Trevatanus said:

Dany Cotton has paid the ultimate price it seems.
Seems like a very sad end to her career, and being made something of a scapegoat, from what I can gather, simply for saying that she did her job right on the night.

I agree she shouldn’t be scapegoated but it has highlighted how little agility the emergency services have when presented with a fire which doesn’t “go how it’s supposed to” so to speak. She could have never known that her brigade would be presented with a tower block with flammable cladding but they stuck to the “stay in your rooms” strategy which was supposed to be the safest. That surely has to be more of an overall fire service strategy than a personal fault of hers though. I’m not too impressed with the media constantly getting soundbites from the aggrieved looking for someone to blame, much like the whole Duckenfield business with Hillsborough disaster.

[bitchstewie]

I don't know if there's a "better" thread that hasn't been closed as they seemed to get very distasteful.

Grenfell refurbishers knew cladding would fail, inquiry told