Grenfell - Who pays
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
They’ve not started demolishing it.
It’s no longer a crime scene but stands as a reminder of the tragedy which it will do for a good while yet.
If it’s decided to bring it down many local people will object.
If it’s decided to leave it up many local people will object.
So it’ll become a political hot potato for years.
Next month it’s 2 years since the fire, we are still at the enquiry stage, that gives a fair indication of how long it’ll be before we see a decision.
Surely it structure has been seriously damaged and it’s not safe to keep it upIt’s no longer a crime scene but stands as a reminder of the tragedy which it will do for a good while yet.
If it’s decided to bring it down many local people will object.
If it’s decided to leave it up many local people will object.
So it’ll become a political hot potato for years.
Next month it’s 2 years since the fire, we are still at the enquiry stage, that gives a fair indication of how long it’ll be before we see a decision.
Thankyou4calling said:
It can’t be returned to a habitable state buts it’s not gonna fall down.
It will fall down at some point unless it’s maintained. Who will maintain a derelict tower block? Is it structurally safe? If there is to be a memorial it should be a memorial built but not a dangerous burnt out shell of a building
They should leave it up as a warning.
Grenfell
A rotten tooth against an ivory skin
A monument to greed and sin
A tombstone for those trapped within
My house, my home my God.
A constant reminder after the fact
Money and morals failed to act
They wouldn’t provide what this tower lacked
My house my home my God
A tribute to the dead and the brave
The firemen who all came to save
The politicians who came to wave
My house my home my God
Covered up for all to see
Soon it will no longer be
A warning for both you and me
My house my home my God.
Grenfell
A rotten tooth against an ivory skin
A monument to greed and sin
A tombstone for those trapped within
My house, my home my God.
A constant reminder after the fact
Money and morals failed to act
They wouldn’t provide what this tower lacked
My house my home my God
A tribute to the dead and the brave
The firemen who all came to save
The politicians who came to wave
My house my home my God
Covered up for all to see
Soon it will no longer be
A warning for both you and me
My house my home my God.
biggbn said:
They should leave it up as a warning.
Grenfell
A rotten tooth against an ivory skin
A monument to greed and sin
A tombstone for those trapped within
My house, my home my God.
A constant reminder after the fact
Money and morals failed to act
They wouldn’t provide what this tower lacked
My house my home my God
A tribute to the dead and the brave
The firemen who all came to save
The politicians who came to wave
My house my home my God
Covered up for all to see
Soon it will no longer be
A warning for both you and me
My house my home my God.
Two responses Grenfell
A rotten tooth against an ivory skin
A monument to greed and sin
A tombstone for those trapped within
My house, my home my God.
A constant reminder after the fact
Money and morals failed to act
They wouldn’t provide what this tower lacked
My house my home my God
A tribute to the dead and the brave
The firemen who all came to save
The politicians who came to wave
My house my home my God
Covered up for all to see
Soon it will no longer be
A warning for both you and me
My house my home my God.
One pull it down
One leave it up
Extrapolate that
I’ll be years
“More than 100 Grenfell survivors and relatives are taking legal action in the US against three firms they blame for the fire, the BBC has been told.
The lawsuit will target the cladding maker Arconic, insulation maker Celotex and fridge supplier Whirlpool.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48576580
The lawsuit will target the cladding maker Arconic, insulation maker Celotex and fridge supplier Whirlpool.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48576580
It's not a monument to greed, what nonsense.
It's a monument to people not caring, not being interested, being too busy, too tired, too lazy, greed no.
The scheme was done on the cheep to save money, I doubt the money it saved was paid into some sleazy pocket, no it was simply recycled into other schemes.
It was managed terribly by employees who couldn't be arsed to check up and contractors not paid to do so.
It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area, I'm certain every other profession has its Grenfell, NHS, Police, Railways, Airports...
It's not right, however it's a product of our society...is it going to change things, well we'll have some new Building Bulletins I'm sure....
Knock it down and build a park, with a pokemon stop and facebook update page so people can pay their respects in the traditional manner!
It's a monument to people not caring, not being interested, being too busy, too tired, too lazy, greed no.
The scheme was done on the cheep to save money, I doubt the money it saved was paid into some sleazy pocket, no it was simply recycled into other schemes.
It was managed terribly by employees who couldn't be arsed to check up and contractors not paid to do so.
It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area, I'm certain every other profession has its Grenfell, NHS, Police, Railways, Airports...
It's not right, however it's a product of our society...is it going to change things, well we'll have some new Building Bulletins I'm sure....
Knock it down and build a park, with a pokemon stop and facebook update page so people can pay their respects in the traditional manner!
You will have to forgive me if i seem cold hearted here, but why are the residents starting law suits? Were they not suitably recompensed with life changing amounts already?
I also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
I also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
Edited by dazwalsh on Monday 10th June 13:24
MDMetal said:
biggbn said:
MDMetal said:
Pretty disgusting that the system yet again has chosen to spend our money vs forcing the companies who own these private properties to cover the short fall. How is this any different to any other unforeseen circumstance? Everyday businesses and individuals have to pay for situations which pop up. The fact the cladding was seen to be safe at the time has nothing to do with the fact that the current owners should be made to pay. Nobody will be paying to fix my roof or repair my car if it breaks down. These are businesses earning a profit from their tenants if they're too stupid to understand the concept of saving for a rainy day they they deserve to face the consequences. Are we to live in a society where whenever a business makes a bad decision or faces unforeseen but perfectly resonable consequences the state has to pay?!
That's our version of infallible capitalism. State bail out, state buy out's, state safety net the bigger the company...
k all, to a high standard, and at the click of a finger. dazwalsh said:
You will have to forgive me if i seem cold hearted here, but why are the residents starting law suits? Were they not suitably recompensed with life changing amounts already?
I also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
Sadly this will almost certainly have been lawyers who see a big payday for both the clients, and more importantly themselves.I also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
Edited by dazwalsh on Monday 10th June 13:24
Thankyou4calling said:
Next month it’s 2 years since the fire, we are still at the enquiry stage, that gives a fair indication of how long it’ll be before we see a decision.
Perhaps we should employ French investigators, it only took them 24 hours to determine the cause of the Notre Dame fire.dazwalsh said:
You will have to forgive me if i seem cold hearted here, but why are the residents starting law suits? Were they not suitably recompensed with life changing amounts already?
I also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
The money isn't the issue, I don't think. People unconnected with the people affected, strangers etc, have given money to a fund to help them. That's the good of society coming together and doing what they can to help lessen the burden and grief these people have endured. But the people who put that cladding on the building, who signed off the work, who decided to save a few quid and use materials that weren't safe, nothing has happened to them yet. The enquiry is mentioned but have you listened to it? Several of those bI also question the timing, can they not have waited until the public enquiry was finished?
As for the building itself, it needs to come down and a memorial garden put in its place. I cant see who would object to it being demolished, that burnt out shell would only act as a brutal reminder of the tragedy.
Edited by dazwalsh on Monday 10th June 13:24
ds have been asked questions regarding several aspects of the building and returned with "I can't recall". It's incredible, they can't recall that but they'll recall the bonus they received for doing "good work".I do agree with some of the survivors though that this might distract from the law suit in this country.
amusingduck said:
dundarach said:
The scheme was done on the cheep to save money
Which little birdie told you that?Seems a very likely choice, when dealing with several quotes for works, you often pick the lowest and 'assume' the specs are the same and the engineers tendering the works have appropriately vetted all tender submissions...
I think a fellow bean counter in another similar office, counted the beans and choose the cheaper one...sadly
dundarach said:
amusingduck said:
dundarach said:
The scheme was done on the cheep to save money
Which little birdie told you that?Seems a very likely choice, when dealing with several quotes for works, you often pick the lowest and 'assume' the specs are the same and the engineers tendering the works have appropriately vetted all tender submissions...
I think a fellow bean counter in another similar office, counted the beans and choose the cheaper one...sadly
dundarach said:
…….
It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
And i'm sure you know just how safe Asbestos is within a building provided it's not disturbed... usually much safer to leave in place than to remove it. It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
The Surveyor said:
dundarach said:
…….
It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
And i'm sure you know just how safe Asbestos is within a building provided it's not disturbed... usually much safer to leave in place than to remove it. It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
It's not all in thermoplastic tiles or window packing though is it.
dundarach said:
The Surveyor said:
dundarach said:
…….
It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
And i'm sure you know just how safe Asbestos is within a building provided it's not disturbed... usually much safer to leave in place than to remove it. It's not limited to housing, over 85% of our schools contain asbestos (this is a fact checked with the DfE on Friday) in one way or another,
Right now, as you sit here reading this, there are over 8.2 million children on a school site containing asbestos....
Education is my area,....
It's not all in thermoplastic tiles or window packing though is it.
I should stick to education if I were you, though perhaps not teaching grammar!
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