Tory-DUP Confidence And Supply deal
Discussion
techiedave said:
To be blunt I thought the whole thing was off as the DUP had gone cold on the deal.
they clearly knew the tories were desperate so demanded a massive amount and played hardball. I think TM would have paid £2-2.5bn
It's insane to think just how a few seats in parliament timed perfectly can generate an absolutely insane amount of money
Puggit said:
My Facebook is awash with Labour voters accusing the Tories of using public money to bribe their way in to power.
The hypocrisy is stunning.
Where's the hypocrisy? The two outcomes are not comparable. The hypocrisy is stunning.
The Tories never planned to spend that money in northern ireland, and have now decided to do so to get the votes of the DUP MPs. It's a straight up purchase of votes in the commons.
Labour did plan to spend money, more money, based on their political beliefs. People who agreed with those beliefs, voted for them.
See? Not comparable.
P.S. Before you go off on one, no, I did not vote labour.
audidoody said:
Why are people assuming the £1 billion is going to disappear into the offshore tax evasion accounts of the 10 DUP MP's?
If it's going into infrastructure it will return to the wider economy through jobs and taxes generated.
It'll do both most likely. The MPs probably have family members with companies that will coincidentally land lucrative contracts soon, and the infrastructure will be developed and create a return to the wider economy as well.If it's going into infrastructure it will return to the wider economy through jobs and taxes generated.
BMWBen said:
Puggit said:
My Facebook is awash with Labour voters accusing the Tories of using public money to bribe their way in to power.
The hypocrisy is stunning.
Where's the hypocrisy? The two outcomes are not comparable. The hypocrisy is stunning.
The Tories never planned to spend that money in northern ireland, and have now decided to do so to get the votes of the DUP MPs. It's a straight up purchase of votes in the commons.
Labour did plan to spend money, more money, based on their political beliefs. People who agreed with those beliefs, voted for them.
See? Not comparable.
P.S. Before you go off on one, no, I did not vote labour.
So yes it was already policy.
Just now considerably more money.
Labour would always try and improve the lot of tne less well off.
Just in this election, also considerably more.
And targeted specifically at tne young, those who do not usually vote, but who vote for labour.
So, yes, hipocracy.
£10 an hour minimum wage for 16 year olds.
Naive not to see the extreme targeting of tne young as anything but 'encouragement to vote'/bribes.
Give labour tne benefit of tne doubt if you wish, but they have declared tnemselves willing to do whatever it takes to get into power.
Their policies are clearly unsustainable/reckless, but they get voters to vote.
unsustainable promises to get votes equal bribes in my opinion.
philv said:
The Conservatives would be investing in NI as it is part of the UK.
So yes it was already policy.
Just now considerably more money.
Labour would always try and improve the lot of tne less well off.
Just in this election, also considerably more.
And targeted specifically at tne young, those who do not usually vote, but who vote for labour.
So, yes, hipocracy.
£10 an hour minimum wage for 16 year olds.
Naive not to see the extreme targeting of tne young as anything but 'encouragement to vote'/bribes.
Give labour tne benefit of tne doubt if you wish, but they have declared tnemselves willing to do whatever it takes to get into power.
Their policies are clearly unsustainable/reckless, but they get voters to vote.
unsustainable promises to get votes equal bribes in my opinion.
Do you really not see the difference between offering the electorate something in the hope they will vote for you, to offering a rival political party something to guarantee they vote along side you in parliament?So yes it was already policy.
Just now considerably more money.
Labour would always try and improve the lot of tne less well off.
Just in this election, also considerably more.
And targeted specifically at tne young, those who do not usually vote, but who vote for labour.
So, yes, hipocracy.
£10 an hour minimum wage for 16 year olds.
Naive not to see the extreme targeting of tne young as anything but 'encouragement to vote'/bribes.
Give labour tne benefit of tne doubt if you wish, but they have declared tnemselves willing to do whatever it takes to get into power.
Their policies are clearly unsustainable/reckless, but they get voters to vote.
unsustainable promises to get votes equal bribes in my opinion.
Osborne sticking the knife inBMWBen said:
Puggit said:
My Facebook is awash with Labour voters accusing the Tories of using public money to bribe their way in to power.
The hypocrisy is stunning.
Where's the hypocrisy? The two outcomes are not comparable. The hypocrisy is stunning.
The DUP case involved politicians and it worked.
I'm chuffed to bits that Corbyn didn't get in, but in no possible way can this be presented as a win or a positive.
To summarise, the Conservatives ran an election campaign that would have been better designed by toddlers with crayons, blew a majority, made Corbyn's position stronger rather than hoofing him into the long grass and have now been bent over by a bunch of crackpots to the tune of over £1 billion.
Marvellous.
To summarise, the Conservatives ran an election campaign that would have been better designed by toddlers with crayons, blew a majority, made Corbyn's position stronger rather than hoofing him into the long grass and have now been bent over by a bunch of crackpots to the tune of over £1 billion.
Marvellous.
ash73 said:
JagLover said:
arp1 said:
So the magic money tree DOES exist after all? Who would have thunk it!
The magic money tree comments were in relation to Labour's spending commitments which totaled tens of billions of pounds.As I understand it actual new money for NI is £1bn (£500m having already been committed prior to the agreement) .
ash73 said:
Only tens? Clearing student debt would cost £100bn, equivalent to the entire Apollo space programme in today's money.
for sure but doesn't make this any less wrong imowondering how many seats around the Manchester area could have been turned blue in the election in return for £1.5bn of Mancunian investment, i'm guessing a fair few!
ash73 said:
JagLover said:
arp1 said:
So the magic money tree DOES exist after all? Who would have thunk it!
The magic money tree comments were in relation to Labour's spending commitments which totaled tens of billions of pounds.As I understand it actual new money for NI is £1bn (£500m having already been committed prior to the agreement) .
V8A*ndy said:
When you do the numbers it's more like £150m...
There has been another 1/2billion of projects guaranteed in the deal.
I hope there is a take-with-the-other-hand catch to this deal, otherwise it's clear that we have a dreadful negotiator and campaign failure about to handle the most significant political task required of this country's leadership for a very long time. May's poor judgement leads me to think that she isn't entirely composThere has been another 1/2billion of projects guaranteed in the deal.
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