Robert Peston job ad - whites need not apply
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stitched said:
You can try and dress it up any way you like.
If I advertised for a reporter working in a predominantly white area and said non whites need not apply then I would, quite rightly IMHO be open to prosecution.
You wouldn't need to though. All you'd have to do is follow the time honoured tradition of binning any CVs with African sounding names on them, or smiling sweetly at the black person sat across from you in the interview while simultaneously filling in their details on the stock rejection letter.If I advertised for a reporter working in a predominantly white area and said non whites need not apply then I would, quite rightly IMHO be open to prosecution.
TTwiggy said:
stitched said:
You can try and dress it up any way you like.
If I advertised for a reporter working in a predominantly white area and said non whites need not apply then I would, quite rightly IMHO be open to prosecution.
You wouldn't need to though. All you'd have to do is follow the time honoured tradition of binning any CVs with African sounding names on them, or smiling sweetly at the black person sat across from you in the interview while simultaneously filling in their details on the stock rejection letter.If I advertised for a reporter working in a predominantly white area and said non whites need not apply then I would, quite rightly IMHO be open to prosecution.
James_B said:
I know that you said ideally, I understood your post, I disagree with it, it’s a ridiculous aspiration or even expectation.
Different groups prefer doing different things. Given an equal playing field there’s still no reason to assume that you’ll get equal interest from male and female, gay and straight, or black and white.
Why, may I ask, do you believe something so ridiculous would be the case?
Let’s take one example. 100m running. Do you expect to see as many disabled, white, female runners in the national team as black males?
What form of discrimination, in your mind, is holding back crippled 70 year-old women from going up against Usain Bolt?
And yes, of course I picked an extreme example to make the point, it’s a valid way to point out why expecting equality of representation is wrong.
In some jobs you can probably expect it, in others you can’t
In the examples that you give it is obvious (I hope) why 70-year old women aren't competing against Usain Bolt. he's significantly better than them.Different groups prefer doing different things. Given an equal playing field there’s still no reason to assume that you’ll get equal interest from male and female, gay and straight, or black and white.
Why, may I ask, do you believe something so ridiculous would be the case?
Let’s take one example. 100m running. Do you expect to see as many disabled, white, female runners in the national team as black males?
What form of discrimination, in your mind, is holding back crippled 70 year-old women from going up against Usain Bolt?
And yes, of course I picked an extreme example to make the point, it’s a valid way to point out why expecting equality of representation is wrong.
In some jobs you can probably expect it, in others you can’t
Is there any reason why a person with an Asian or black sounding name with the same CV as a person with a white name has less of a chance of getting selected for interview?
Countdown said:
Is there any reason why a person with an Asian or black sounding name with the same CV as a person with a white name has less of a chance of getting selected for interview?
My cousin has the surname Singhal- she's never had a problem getting any job she's ever gone for. Ditto a university friend whose surname is Desgupta. Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
Countdown said:
James_B said:
I know that you said ideally, I understood your post, I disagree with it, it’s a ridiculous aspiration or even expectation.
Different groups prefer doing different things. Given an equal playing field there’s still no reason to assume that you’ll get equal interest from male and female, gay and straight, or black and white.
Why, may I ask, do you believe something so ridiculous would be the case?
Let’s take one example. 100m running. Do you expect to see as many disabled, white, female runners in the national team as black males?
What form of discrimination, in your mind, is holding back crippled 70 year-old women from going up against Usain Bolt?
And yes, of course I picked an extreme example to make the point, it’s a valid way to point out why expecting equality of representation is wrong.
In some jobs you can probably expect it, in others you can’t
In the examples that you give it is obvious (I hope) why 70-year old women aren't competing against Usain Bolt. he's significantly better than them.Different groups prefer doing different things. Given an equal playing field there’s still no reason to assume that you’ll get equal interest from male and female, gay and straight, or black and white.
Why, may I ask, do you believe something so ridiculous would be the case?
Let’s take one example. 100m running. Do you expect to see as many disabled, white, female runners in the national team as black males?
What form of discrimination, in your mind, is holding back crippled 70 year-old women from going up against Usain Bolt?
And yes, of course I picked an extreme example to make the point, it’s a valid way to point out why expecting equality of representation is wrong.
In some jobs you can probably expect it, in others you can’t
Is there any reason why a person with an Asian or black sounding name with the same CV as a person with a white name has less of a chance of getting selected for interview?
I really despair sometimes as it seems people do not understand that any discrimination defines people as different.
Do you not get how f
king insulting this is to those it purports to support?How it promotes exactly the victim mentality which holds so many able people back?
No point applying 'cos I'm (insert colour or gender).
Rovinghawk said:
My cousin has the surname Singhal- she's never had a problem getting any job she's ever gone for. Ditto a university friend whose surname is Desgupta.
Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
How does your mate Onwuatuegwu fare?Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
Rovinghawk said:
Countdown said:
Is there any reason why a person with an Asian or black sounding name with the same CV as a person with a white name has less of a chance of getting selected for interview?
My cousin has the surname Singhal- she's never had a problem getting any job she's ever gone for. Ditto a university friend whose surname is Desgupta. Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/jobs...
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23...
https://fullfact.org/economy/job-applicants-ethnic...
stitched said:
Do you not get how fking insulting this is to those it purports to support?
I'm happy to leave it for them to decide whether it's insulting or not, rather than putting forward that argument on "their" behalf.king insulting this is to those it purports to support?stitched said:
How it promotes exactly the victim mentality which holds so many able people back?
Do you not think that accusing them of having a victim mentality is insulting to them in any way, shape or form?stitched said:
No point applying 'cos I'm (insert colour or gender).
or alternatively"Wow, here's an organisation that takes equality seriously! Maybe this time my CV/application will be judged on its' content rather than my name"
TTwiggy said:
Rovinghawk said:
My cousin has the surname Singhal- she's never had a problem getting any job she's ever gone for. Ditto a university friend whose surname is Desgupta.
Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
How does your mate Onwuatuegwu fare?Maybe this type of discrimination doesn't happen as often as you'd like to think.
stitched said:
Which action would see me liable to prosecution should it go before a court.
If proven, possible both. but IANAL.On the issue of 'non-whites need not apply', can you give any examples of industries where white people are under-represented as a ratio of their demographic numbers?
For clarity, '100m Olympic sprinting' and 'Gangsta Rap' do not count as industries.
TTwiggy said:
stitched said:
Which action would see me liable to prosecution should it go before a court.
If proven, possible both. but IANAL.On the issue of 'non-whites need not apply', can you give any examples of industries where white people are under-represented as a ratio of their demographic numbers?
For clarity, '100m Olympic sprinting' and 'Gangsta Rap' do not count as industries.
TTwiggy said:
On the issue of 'non-whites need not apply', can you give any examples of industries where white people are under-represented as a ratio of their demographic numbers?
For clarity, '100m Olympic sprinting' and 'Gangsta Rap' do not count as industries.
The MOBOs always struck me as racist, now you mention it.For clarity, '100m Olympic sprinting' and 'Gangsta Rap' do not count as industries.
TTwiggy said:
98elise said:
Medicine?
At what level of medicine?http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Ethnic_diver...
otolith said:
TTwiggy said:
98elise said:
Medicine?
At what level of medicine?http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Ethnic_diver...
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