Robert Peston job ad - whites need not apply
Discussion
Nothingtoseehere said:
Carl_Manchester said:
In some jobs rules must be broken to give non-white people a foot in the door, I don't mind it personally as long as the industries are targeted and directed as being in need of such (football management is argued as being such an example). Having a more balanced in-take of can bring positive benefits if it reflect the society it represents, sadly many professions do not reflect the composition of modern UK society, they reflect what UK society looked like in the 1960s.
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
In this specific example of media and the arts, I don't really mind if it means that we get more talented black actors into the industry like Robert Downey Jr :
may i be the first to offer you the parrot Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
In this specific example of media and the arts, I don't really mind if it means that we get more talented black actors into the industry like Robert Downey Jr :
Edited by Carl_Manchester on Monday 10th July 12:23
Wow.
Couldnt disagree more.
Maybe more leading roles should be given to really ugly people?
Carl_Manchester said:
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
Why though - maybe women just like doing other things?Look at the figures presented on page 50 of this report. Of the 19 subject areas presented - women dominate in all but 6 (and the figures for business are pretty close even though men just pip it) They also dominate in higher education overall - with women now making up ~30% more of the undergraduate and post graduate population than men.
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B...
Why no affirmative action for men in the 13 subject areas where women dominate - or why no push to equalise the number of university entrants?
Also - why just desirable subjects/careers like engineering. If we must encourage more women into engineering for 'equality reasons' then why no push to get more women is s
tty or dangerous jobs like waste collection or mining for the same reason? Surely a woman's perspective is just as important in these roles too?Equality should be about equality of opportunity - not equality of outcome.
Your race/gender shouldn't hinder you from applying or being successful at a role - but at the same time, to expect every company and every role to reflect a perfect cross section of society is IMO unrealistic.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 10th July 13:14
Puggit said:
oyster said:
Ahhhh, another thread where wealthy, white males can rant about how hard they've had life.
That's not the point - the point is that the advert is racist. Care to dispel that? Moonhawk said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
Why though - maybe women just like doing other things?Look at the figures presented on page 50 of this report. Of the 19 subject areas presented - women dominate in all but 6 (and the figures for business are pretty close even though men just pip it) They also dominate in higher education overall - with women now making up ~30% more of the undergraduate and post graduate population than men.
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B...
Why no affirmative action for men in the 13 subject areas where women dominate - or why no push to equalise the number of university entrants?
Also - why just desirable subjects/careers like engineering. If we must encourage more women into engineering for 'equality reasons' then why no push to get more women is s
tty or dangerous jobs like waste collection or mining for the same reason? Surely a woman's perspective is just as important in these roles too?Equality should be about equality of opportunity - not equality of outcome.
Your race/gender shouldn't hinder you from applying or being successful at a role - but at the same time, to expect every company and every role to reflect a perfect cross section of society is IMO unrealistic.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 10th July 13:14
It is not however representative of the population that want to work, as it ignores the percentage of woman of are happy to be stay at home mothers / housewives (there will be a smaller percentage of men in those roles as well). This percentage also varies hugely in BAME groups.
Moonhawk said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
Why though - maybe women just like doing other things?Look at the figures presented on page 50 of this report. Of the 19 subject areas presented - women dominate in all but 6 (and the figures for business are pretty close even though men just pip it) They also dominate in higher education overall - with women now making up ~30% more of the undergraduate and post graduate population than men.
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B...
Why no affirmative action for men in the 13 subject areas where women dominate - or why no push to equalise the number of university entrants?
Also - why just desirable subjects/careers like engineering. If we must encourage more women into engineering for 'equality reasons' then why no push to get more women is s
tty or dangerous jobs like waste collection or mining for the same reason? Surely a woman's perspective is just as important in these roles too?Equality should be about equality of opportunity - not equality of outcome.
Your race/gender shouldn't hinder you from applying or being successful at a role - but at the same time, to expect every company and every role to reflect a perfect cross section of society is IMO unrealistic.
Puggit said:
oyster said:
Ahhhh, another thread where wealthy, white males can rant about how hard they've had life.
That's not the point - the point is that the advert is racist. Care to dispel that? Nowhere is it suggested that white applicants aren't qualified or indeed good enough for the course by virtue of their ethnicity, rather that people of an ethnic minority are underepresented in a vast number of industries and they would like to do something to address that.
XslaneyX said:
98elise said:
What if you identify as black?
very good 
what about if your LGBTQFFDFJDSJTRIGIXFDF Non binary, owlkin, Trap, cis, Gender fluid/queer etc etc...
You can f
k off!Tonberry said:
I would suggest the initiative is positive discrimination brought about through the prevalence of racial discrimination.
If you're refused a position because of your ethnicity then it's wrong. Simple as that. How 'positive' the discrimination is makes zero difference.Tonberry said:
Nowhere is it suggested that white applicants aren't qualified or indeed good enough for the course by virtue of their ethnicity, rather that people of an ethnic minority are underepresented in a vast number of industries and they would like to do something to address that.
It's still discrimination based on ethnicity & is still wrong.Moonhawk said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
Why though - maybe women just like doing other things?Look at the figures presented on page 50 of this report. Of the 19 subject areas presented - women dominate in all but 6 (and the figures for business are pretty close even though men just pip it) They also dominate in higher education overall - with women now making up ~30% more of the undergraduate and post graduate population than men.
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B...
Why no affirmative action for men in the 13 subject areas where women dominate - or why no push to equalise the number of university entrants?
Also - why just desirable subjects/careers like engineering. If we must encourage more women into engineering for 'equality reasons' then why no push to get more women is s
tty or dangerous jobs like waste collection or mining for the same reason? Surely a woman's perspective is just as important in these roles too?Equality should be about equality of opportunity - not equality of outcome.
Your race/gender shouldn't hinder you from applying or being successful at a role - but at the same time, to expect every company and every role to reflect a perfect cross section of society is IMO unrealistic.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 10th July 13:14
I don't think they grasped that perhaps women just don't want to be engineers and there is little that would persuade them otherwise. A shame because they make some very good engineers.
del mar said:
The BBC has worked hard to attain about a 50:50 male to female ratio, being representative of the population.
They should be using the best people for the job whether male or female, black or white.What also gets my back up about the op is that for someone who hates racism like myself this sort of advert gives ammo to the racist.
Otispunkmeyer said:
I was going to reply to this as well.... Our place tried really hard with the women in engineering thing; lots of events, publicity, workshops, freebies I think even bursaries and grants. But they never really got more than a trickle. Perhaps they convinced a few on the fence, but most who applied for the engineering courses were doing so anyway. Engineering, you have to be interested, properly interested otherwise its going to be a tough 3-4 years. Don't think giving it a go off the back of some freebies and workshops is going to cut it if you aren't really interested in how engines work or how electricity is produced or computer aided design. The motivation to get through the course and do well comes from being properly interested.
I don't think they grasped that perhaps women just don't want to be engineers and there is little that would persuade them otherwise. A shame because they make some very good engineers.
My old employer (landscaping company with ~40 staff) was in a pretty diverse area of London, and the workforce was a white as snow. I don't think they grasped that perhaps women just don't want to be engineers and there is little that would persuade them otherwise. A shame because they make some very good engineers.
People from ethnic minority backgrounds simply didn't apply to work there the whole time I was there.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Moonhawk said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Helping Women in engineering roles is another example positive discrimination that I agree with.
Why though - maybe women just like doing other things?Look at the figures presented on page 50 of this report. Of the 19 subject areas presented - women dominate in all but 6 (and the figures for business are pretty close even though men just pip it) They also dominate in higher education overall - with women now making up ~30% more of the undergraduate and post graduate population than men.
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/B...
Why no affirmative action for men in the 13 subject areas where women dominate - or why no push to equalise the number of university entrants?
Also - why just desirable subjects/careers like engineering. If we must encourage more women into engineering for 'equality reasons' then why no push to get more women is s
tty or dangerous jobs like waste collection or mining for the same reason? Surely a woman's perspective is just as important in these roles too?Equality should be about equality of opportunity - not equality of outcome.
Your race/gender shouldn't hinder you from applying or being successful at a role - but at the same time, to expect every company and every role to reflect a perfect cross section of society is IMO unrealistic.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 10th July 13:14
I don't think they grasped that perhaps women just don't want to be engineers and there is little that would persuade them otherwise. A shame because they make some very good engineers.
Tonberry said:
Nowhere is it suggested that white applicants aren't qualified or indeed good enough for the course by virtue of their ethnicity, rather that people of an ethnic minority are underepresented in a vast number of industries and they would like to do something to address that.
But surely that starts from a false assumption - that in the absence of discrimination, the industries in question would mirror the ethnic or gender cross section of section of society.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff