State pension goalposts moved again
Discussion
superkartracer said:
Rude-boy said:
Old stuff
David Attenborough?I know plenty of people 80+ and 90's who are more active than many teens .
Stop talking rubbish .
It's also all about life choices throughout. If you have been active all your life, escape serious injury, eat properly, dont smoke or drink much and have always had a roof over your head chances are you will be one of the group who move active life expectancy on.
Not all of the above are true for a large number of people.
The UK is in big trouble and many uk Governments are to blame for its demise
On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the s
t it got into in the past
Unfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the st the UK Governments have created recently and in the past
The sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this st
I feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be st on as a reward for their input
I loath every st head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water bills
In summary
The UK Governments have fked the UK
The Capitalists have fked the UK and other countries
The st heads that abuse the system have fked the UK
The working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a st fking mess the UK is in
I apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the s
t it got into in the pastUnfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the s
t the UK Governments have created recently and in the pastThe sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this s
tI feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be s
t on as a reward for their inputI loath every s
t head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water billsIn summary
The UK Governments have f
ked the UKThe Capitalists have f
ked the UK and other countriesThe s
t heads that abuse the system have fked the UKThe working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a s
t fking mess the UK is inI apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
Penelope Stopit said:
The UK is in big trouble and many uk Governments are to blame for its demise
On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the st it got into in the past
Unfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the st the UK Governments have created recently and in the past
The sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this st
I feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be st on as a reward for their input
I loath every st head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water bills
In summary
The UK Governments have fked the UK
The Capitalists have fked the UK and other countries
The st heads that abuse the system have fked the UK
The working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a st fking mess the UK is in
I apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
Capitalism has driven unprecedented improvements in living standards - you appear to be oblivious to that...On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the s
t it got into in the pastUnfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the s
t the UK Governments have created recently and in the pastThe sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this s
tI feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be s
t on as a reward for their inputI loath every s
t head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water billsIn summary
The UK Governments have f
ked the UKThe Capitalists have f
ked the UK and other countriesThe s
t heads that abuse the system have fked the UKThe working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a s
t fking mess the UK is inI apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
What are you proposing instead?
sidicks said:
Capitalism has driven massive improvements in living standards - you appear to be oblivious to that...
I present you a Gold Medal for the most moronic comment recently posted to PHCan't afford a mortgage, holiday once every 3 or 4 years for some none for others, no decent ammount of money when a person retires at the age of 68 (later 70, 72, 74) and the NHS in decline is classed by you as "massive improvements in living standards"
Get real
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 21st July 20:02
sidicks said:
Penelope Stopit said:
The UK is in big trouble and many uk Governments are to blame for its demise
On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the st it got into in the past
Unfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the st the UK Governments have created recently and in the past
The sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this st
I feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be st on as a reward for their input
I loath every st head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water bills
In summary
The UK Governments have fked the UK
The Capitalists have fked the UK and other countries
The st heads that abuse the system have fked the UK
The working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a st fking mess the UK is in
I apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
Capitalism has driven unprecedented improvements in living standards - you appear to be oblivious to that...On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the s
t it got into in the pastUnfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the s
t the UK Governments have created recently and in the pastThe sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this s
tI feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be s
t on as a reward for their inputI loath every s
t head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water billsIn summary
The UK Governments have f
ked the UKThe Capitalists have f
ked the UK and other countriesThe s
t heads that abuse the system have fked the UKThe working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a s
t fking mess the UK is inI apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
What are you proposing instead?
Sdicks
Can you confirm (roughly) the size of pension pot that is needed to fund £8.5k from 68yo. Non spousal 50% if you die and have a surviving spouse.
Also do you have rough values for the impact of SPA on personal pensions keeping within 10years?
One person said it's only a delay - but I say that delay means more income tax to pay when you draw it /unless of course you retire before state pension and then draw out before income tax threshold whilst burning savings to cover living stds.
Can you confirm (roughly) the size of pension pot that is needed to fund £8.5k from 68yo. Non spousal 50% if you die and have a surviving spouse.
Also do you have rough values for the impact of SPA on personal pensions keeping within 10years?
One person said it's only a delay - but I say that delay means more income tax to pay when you draw it /unless of course you retire before state pension and then draw out before income tax threshold whilst burning savings to cover living stds.
Rude-boy said:
I read threads like these and it amuses me in a perverse sort of a way.
How many people have met more than a very few in their 90's? Of those that i have met i think i would take the lives of about 10-20% of them. For many life is a constant round of dressings to be changed, pills to be taken, and being unable to do much more than walk to the loo in between visits to the Doctors, Hospital and funerals of the few people that they still know left (if well enough to attend.)
These are not people spending £10,000's a year on anything but likely living on not much more than that, regardless of actual assets.
This is before we start to think of all those with mental health issues, etc.
Frankly the way that i have lived my life thus far I doubt that there will be much left in the tank by the age of 70 to do more than abuse young people on PH and change my Tenna for Men from time to time. I certainly doubt that i will be pot holing in Australia.
Another little fact i have picked up on is that between the ages of 70 and 80 you age at the same sort of rate you aged between 10 and 20...
Dignitas is going to be a very busy place in 20 years time.
and that's just a normal weekends drinking,you want to see us on a bank holiday.How many people have met more than a very few in their 90's? Of those that i have met i think i would take the lives of about 10-20% of them. For many life is a constant round of dressings to be changed, pills to be taken, and being unable to do much more than walk to the loo in between visits to the Doctors, Hospital and funerals of the few people that they still know left (if well enough to attend.)
These are not people spending £10,000's a year on anything but likely living on not much more than that, regardless of actual assets.
This is before we start to think of all those with mental health issues, etc.
Frankly the way that i have lived my life thus far I doubt that there will be much left in the tank by the age of 70 to do more than abuse young people on PH and change my Tenna for Men from time to time. I certainly doubt that i will be pot holing in Australia.
Another little fact i have picked up on is that between the ages of 70 and 80 you age at the same sort of rate you aged between 10 and 20...
Dignitas is going to be a very busy place in 20 years time.
Penelope Stopit said:
I present you a Gold Medal for the most moronic comment recently posted to PH
I'm pretty sure you'll be keeping that award for some time to come.Penelope Stopit said:
Can't afford a mortgage, holiday once every 3 or 4 years for some none for others, no decent ammount of money when a person retires at the age of 68 (later 70, 72, 74) and the NHS in decline is classed by you as "massive improvements in living standards"
Get real
You clearly don't understand what capitalism is or how living standards have improved.Get real
Edited by sidicks on Friday 21st July 20:32
Penelope Stopit said:
The UK is in big trouble and many uk Governments are to blame for its demise
On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the st it got into in the past
Unfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the st the UK Governments have created recently and in the past
The sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this st
I feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be st on as a reward for their input
I loath every st head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water bills
In summary
The UK Governments have fked the UK
The Capitalists have fked the UK and other countries
The st heads that abuse the system have fked the UK
The working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a st fking mess the UK is in
I apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
I think somebody had a bad week ..... On a brighter note, the UK is only what it is due to its theft from other countries in years gone by and perhaps it is the UK's turn to suffer for all the s
t it got into in the pastUnfortunately it is once again the common people that are going to cop out for all the s
t the UK Governments have created recently and in the pastThe sooner the UK has a peoples Government the better
The capitalists are as much to blame for all this s
tI feel for all the UK people that have worked hard for most of their lives only to be s
t on as a reward for their inputI loath every s
t head that has abused the system in the UK and hope there will come a time when no st head is allowed to drink alcohol, go out for meals or have holidays, every sthead should be given no money, give the st heads food by delivery to their door and pay their electric and water billsIn summary
The UK Governments have f
ked the UKThe Capitalists have f
ked the UK and other countriesThe s
t heads that abuse the system have fked the UKThe working people of the UK are now paying the price for the actions of the above
What a s
t fking mess the UK is inI apologise for my bad language, I don't tend to use so much bad language in any topic here at PH
Penelope Stopit said:
turbobloke said:
Along similar lines, where has something better fared better and what was it?
This is part of the problem, those that are doing ok don't give a toss about the less fortunate and they also live in denial
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/tax...
Just as I was stating people getting fked many times and somehow people posting here want them to pay more? How much more ? You are breaching 100% tax. I do like the way you deliberately keep stating it is means tested rather than it is taxed - kind of makes it easier to justify doesn't it.
On the flip side pushing back SPA for all those Public sector pensioners will save a massive amount of tax/ or they pay more tax as the annual pension they take will be higher.
Just as I was stating people getting f
ked many times and somehow people posting here want them to pay more? How much more ? You are breaching 100% tax. I do like the way you deliberately keep stating it is means tested rather than it is taxed - kind of makes it easier to justify doesn't it. On the flip side pushing back SPA for all those Public sector pensioners will save a massive amount of tax/ or they pay more tax as the annual pension they take will be higher.
Welshbeef said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/pensions-retirement/tax...
Just as I was stating people getting fked many times and somehow people posting here want them to pay more? How much more ? You are breaching 100% tax. I do like the way you deliberately keep stating it is means tested rather than it is taxed - kind of makes it easier to justify doesn't it.
On the flip side pushing back SPA for all those Public sector pensioners will save a massive amount of tax/ or they pay more tax as the annual pension they take will be higher.
Yes, extending the retirement age by one year will be a start towards taking control of the costs of public sector schemes.Just as I was stating people getting f
ked many times and somehow people posting here want them to pay more? How much more ? You are breaching 100% tax. I do like the way you deliberately keep stating it is means tested rather than it is taxed - kind of makes it easier to justify doesn't it. On the flip side pushing back SPA for all those Public sector pensioners will save a massive amount of tax/ or they pay more tax as the annual pension they take will be higher.
Penelope Stopit said:
I present you a Gold Medal for the most moronic comment recently posted to PH
Can't afford a mortgage, holiday once every 3 or 4 years for some none for others, no decent ammount of money when a person retires at the age of 68 (later 70, 72, 74) and the NHS in decline is classed by you as "massive improvements in living standards"
Get real
Jesus Christ, you're fvcking clueless. What system would you prefer to capitalism?Can't afford a mortgage, holiday once every 3 or 4 years for some none for others, no decent ammount of money when a person retires at the age of 68 (later 70, 72, 74) and the NHS in decline is classed by you as "massive improvements in living standards"
Get real
Edited by Penelope Stopit on Friday 21st July 20:02
Ruskie said:
I'm a Paramedic so this affects me greatly. For example at 67 we would still be expected to carry people downstairs. On top of 30/40 years wear and tear on knees and backs. It's just not viable to expect people to do this job in your 60's. I see all the time with staff over 60. They slow down, their driving deteriorates and the night shifts kill them.
As pointed out earlier this doesn't only effect those doing physical tasks.My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
JagLover said:
As pointed out earlier this doesn't only effect those doing physical tasks.
My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
Where are and what are all these part time jobs?My dad had to semi-retire due to stress in his late 50s and spent a few years doing part time gardening before his pensions kicked in.
I don't think i will be able to do my job when I am heading toward 60 either.
What most of us need to be planning for is a far less demanding part time job as we head toward our 60s.
I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
Welshbeef said:
Where are and what are all these part time jobs?
I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
Take?I call it taking jobs away from mums trying to return to work after maternity. Sadly the old want to take jobs away from those who need them the most to feed their families.
It's okay for the old to starve but not the young?
They have as much right to apply as the next person. You have a strange view of society.
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