New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030
Discussion
R Mutt said:
otolith said:
I think that would be a much bigger problem if instead of saying "No new ICEs after 2035/40" the government had said "We're going to tax the arse out of ICE until everyone has an EV".
You mean by ULEZ?(Nah, that will make sod all difference, most people aren't affected and the poor aren't paying to park up in city centres, they're on the bus)
otolith said:
You Londoners with your LGBTQI stuff!
(Nah, that will make sod all difference, most people aren't affected and the poor aren't paying to park up in city centres, they're on the bus)
Not the city centre.(Nah, that will make sod all difference, most people aren't affected and the poor aren't paying to park up in city centres, they're on the bus)
It encompasses parts of London so far out Londoners would hardly even call them London.
otolith said:
Euro 4 cars or Euro 6 diesels in the most prosperous bit of the UK which has the best public transport alternatives in the whole country. I reckon they'll cope.
Depends where you need to go, what you're taking with you, and when, among other factors. They've closed the back doors of Routemasters now so they're still as slow at picking up and dropping off as when contactless payment was first implemented. Of course the lowest earners will probably get the bus but anyone with a grand or 2 worth of motor which could still be relatively new will not be p155 poor but won't be able to afford anything compliant either. That's if they take the gamble on a used ICE which could still be punished in the near future.
“ The UK government is set to confirm it wil bring forward a ban on the sale of new combustion-engined cars from 2040 to 2030 in an effort to speed up widespread electric vehicle (EV) adoption – but hybrid cars are set to be allowed until 2035 under the revised proposals.”
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/report...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/report...
JagLover said:
I'm sure this has been properly thought through and planned and isn't simply so Boris can have some private time with his new paramour.
Just look at the amazing success of projects such as HS2, Crossrail or Track and Trace. I have no doubt the government will easily be able to install the hundreds of thousands of charging points needed within the next 9 years, especially given the amazing shape our economy is in.Plus, we all know EVs produce no pollution. So when we're all driving them, the air quality problem will be solved, war on the motorist will end and well be free to drive wherever and however we want without being told we're killing the planet. Win win!
A Winner Is You said:
Just look at the amazing success of projects such as HS2, Crossrail or Track and Trace. I have no doubt the government will easily be able to install the hundreds of thousands of charging points needed within the next 9 years, especially given the amazing shape our economy is in.
Plus, we all know EVs produce no pollution. So when we're all driving them, the air quality problem will be solved, war on the motorist will end and well be free to drive wherever and however we want without being told we're killing the planet. Win win!
Why would it be down to the government to install charging points? Do we have government-owned petrol stations?Plus, we all know EVs produce no pollution. So when we're all driving them, the air quality problem will be solved, war on the motorist will end and well be free to drive wherever and however we want without being told we're killing the planet. Win win!
When there is money to made from charging points, private companies will build them.
clockworks said:
A Winner Is You said:
Just look at the amazing success of projects such as HS2, Crossrail or Track and Trace. I have no doubt the government will easily be able to install the hundreds of thousands of charging points needed within the next 9 years, especially given the amazing shape our economy is in.
Plus, we all know EVs produce no pollution. So when we're all driving them, the air quality problem will be solved, war on the motorist will end and well be free to drive wherever and however we want without being told we're killing the planet. Win win!
Why would it be down to the government to install charging points? Do we have government-owned petrol stations?Plus, we all know EVs produce no pollution. So when we're all driving them, the air quality problem will be solved, war on the motorist will end and well be free to drive wherever and however we want without being told we're killing the planet. Win win!
When there is money to made from charging points, private companies will build them.
2040 seemed about right 2030 is 9 years from now I can't see it some how.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
1. HGVs are utilised as efficiently as possible. They are driven with lean fuel burn in mind.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
2. Lorry/van use tends to be more than personal car use - lorries don’t get driven 25% full like 90% of cars do.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
London has had a commercial vehicles LEZ since 2008.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Most HGV transport is inter-city not intra-. Some companies have made moves to biodiesel (McDonald's) or more efficient double-deck trailers.
The modern black cab is now a PHEV.
Several couriers and last-mile delivery companies have plans/partnerships with Electric vehicle companies. Some are already in place, many more are due in the next 1-2 years.
Most commercial interests are based on reducing costs. Fuel is always a major cost alongside maintenance. EVs are showing they can greatly reduce this.
Gecko1978 said:
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2040 seemed about right 2030 is 9 years from now I can't see it some how.
I suspect many marques will get there before 2030.2040 seemed about right 2030 is 9 years from now I can't see it some how.
It'll make little difference to the environment IMO, we'll see other taxation making them as expensive as current cars and when the batteries all start to pack up we'll have a real headache on our hands.
But tbh, can't say as I'm too fussed either way. Our next family wagon will be an electric car. It'll make me feel better about the cars I'll still be using
Wills2 said:
Expect ICE cars to hold their value very well, remember people thinking that car prices would crash due to CV-19? The reverse happened....
I would expect the opposite unless you’re looking for something special. The government will want to wean us off ICE to EV’s and that will involve increasing the costs of running an ICE vehicle through taxation. That won’t bother people buying exciting vehicles for use at the weekend but no one is going to be buying a mundane second hand runabout if the cost of running it is exorbitant.Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Because they’ve been subject to stricter emissions rules for quite some time, also, as much as people (I’m occasionally guilty of it myself) get annoyed by getting stuck behind a slow lorry the simple truth is without them on the road nothing would get done.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
No big artics on the road= no supermarkets or shops stocked, same goes for the smaller trucks too.
No fuel tankers=no petrol for our cars.
No cement trucks/tippers/brick trucks etc= no construction.
Vans are the same with regards to just about everything too
Walter Sobchak said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Because they’ve been subject to stricter emissions rules for quite some time, also, as much as people (I’m occasionally guilty of it myself) get annoyed by getting stuck behind a slow lorry the simple truth is without them on the road nothing would get done.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
No big artics on the road= no supermarkets or shops stocked, same goes for the smaller trucks too.
No fuel tankers=no petrol for our cars.
No cement trucks/tippers/brick trucks etc= no construction.
Vans are the same with regards to just about everything too
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