New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030

[Greg_D]

Rick101 said:

sjg said:

Instavolt are great. A very similar 8-bay to the one at Banbury is being built just off J27 of the M6 and they seem to have been acquiring lots of similar sites. They've also just announced a deal with KFC to do rapid charging at all their drive-thru sites as well as the McDonalds deal earlier in the year.

What would be nice if is they could securely store payment details within the car.
Soley access to the flap and 'plugging in' giving the authorisation.

Some security issues but I'm sure they could be overcome.

it's a logical next step, as part of the DC 'handshake' process, payment IDs are exchanged

[Digga]

Greg_D said:

your comments make as much sense as me moaning about the construction/maintenance of bus stops because i don't use them...

Also Greg_D said:

Bus wkers!

[Biggy Stardust]

Greg_D said:

poo at Paul's said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Who pays the massive installation costs?

Everyone else but the EV user!

by EV user, you mean 'a significant portion of their customer base within 5 years' - It's called infrastructure investment FFS, stop being so chippy.

your comments make as much sense as me moaning about the construction/maintenance of bus stops because i don't use them...

It was suggested that they be installed at supermarkets:
Do you think the supermarkets will pay for them? How will they recoup the cost, exactly? High charging prices or putting up prices in-store?
Or will councils fund them? Where would they get the money?
Where exactly are the construction workers, plant & materials magically going to come from without construction prices rising?

All reasonable questions which I note you've chosen to not answer.

[Willow1212]

Biggy Stardust said:

It was suggested that they be installed at supermarkets:
Do you think the supermarkets will pay for them? How will they recoup the cost, exactly? High charging prices or putting up prices in-store?
Or will councils fund them? Where would they get the money?
Where exactly are the construction workers, plant & materials magically going to come from without construction prices rising?

All reasonable questions which I note you've chosen to not answer.

Some info here on how the Tesco/VW/PodPoint chargers are being funded if you want:
https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/pod-point-tesc...

I guess there are benefits for all the parties involved, VW get visible charging infrastructure out there to re-assure people who may want one of their EVs in future, and Tesco get people parking at their stores with some time to kill inside. Tesco also do deals for ICE drivers like their 10p off per litre deals etc, that also will have a cost for more people than just those that but petrol/diesel from them.

And here is some further evidence of significant investment in EV infrastructure happening now:
https://youtu.be/FoN4WCpuxHY

Edited by Willow1212 on Thursday 3rd December 15:06

[Biggy Stardust]

Willow1212 said:

Some info here on how the Tesco/VW/PodPoint chargers are being funded if you want:
https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/pod-point-tesc...

I guess there are benefits for all the parties involved, VW get visible charging infrastructure out there to re-assure people who may want one of their EVs in future, and Tesco get people parking at their stores with some time to kill inside. Tesco also do deals for ICE drivers like their 10p off per litre deals etc, that also will have a cost for more people than just those that but petrol/diesel from them.

So far so good. It'll be nice if it continues that way. How many chargers per store? ie Enough not just for now but for when everyone embraces the Utopia that is EV?

[Willow1212]

Biggy Stardust said:

So far so good. It'll be nice if it continues that way. How many chargers per store? ie Enough not just for now but for when everyone embraces the Utopia that is EV?

It says in the article they are aiming for 2400 chargers across 600 stores. So I make that on average 4 per store.
I'm no expert, but if they get used a lot and demand is higher, I guess they'll put more in. And other retailers will no doubt do similar.

[ColdoRS]

Does anyone have some reliable data of the number of cars in the uk owned by people without off-street parking?

I expect it’s a big number but I honestly wouldn’t know if it was 8% or 80% of cars on the road.

I wonder if by 2040 or so, most people who can’t come up with a home charging solution will have been coerced onto public transport? Using car share schemes for when they really need a car for a journey? Or if technology will be at the point where 500mile+ range EVs are affordable for the masses and thus 1x 25min rapid charge at a gridserve type charge station each week will suffice?

[rscott]

ColdoRS said:

Does anyone have some reliable data of the number of cars in the uk owned by people without off-street parking?

I expect it’s a big number but I honestly wouldn’t know if it was 8% or 80% of cars on the road.

I wonder if by 2040 or so, most people who can’t come up with a home charging solution will have been coerced onto public transport? Using car share schemes for when they really need a car for a journey? Or if technology will be at the point where 500mile+ range EVs are affordable for the masses and thus 1x 25min rapid charge at a gridserve type charge station each week will suffice?

Around 30-40% of properties don't have off street parking, but not everyone ones a car. PWC estimate about 16% of vehicle owners don't have off street parking - https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-c...

[Biggy Stardust]

rscott said:

Around 30-40% of properties don't have off street parking, but not everyone ones a car. PWC estimate about 16% of vehicle owners don't have off street parking - https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-c...

How many with no off-street parking have >1 car? It's the number of cars that matters rather than the number of houses that can't accomodate them.

[Jazzy Jag]

Biggy Stardust said:

rscott said:

Around 30-40% of properties don't have off street parking, but not everyone ones a car. PWC estimate about 16% of vehicle owners don't have off street parking - https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-c...

How many with no off-street parking have >1 car? It's the number of cars that matters rather than the number of houses that can't accomodate them.

and how many houses with OSP only have it for one car, and own more that one?

Currently squeezing 5 on my drive atm, but we are a house of 6 adults

[Biggy Stardust]

Jazzy Jag said:

Biggy Stardust said:

rscott said:

Around 30-40% of properties don't have off street parking, but not everyone ones a car. PWC estimate about 16% of vehicle owners don't have off street parking - https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/electric-c...

How many with no off-street parking have >1 car? It's the number of cars that matters rather than the number of houses that can't accomodate them.

and how many houses with OSP only have it for one car, and own more that one?

Currently squeezing 5 on my drive atm, but we are a house of 6 adults

Let's combine the query:

How many cars are there in excess of OSP for charging?

[Jazzy Jag]

Biggy Stardust said:

Let's combine the query:

How many cars are there in excess of OSP for charging?

Lots.

in fact, I would go far as to say, lots and lots.
A very big number.

[Lily the Pink]

The only sensible long-term solution to the "Insufficient Offstreet Parking" problem is to develop standardised quick-change batteries with automated battery exchange bays probably initially installed at current filling stations.

[Biggy Stardust]

Jazzy Jag said:

Lots.

in fact, I would go far as to say, lots and lots.
A very big number.

I'm waiting for the response whereby the cars can be shuffled around to be charged on some form of rota, presupposing a level of organisation, cooperation & pre-planning which has heretofore never been experienced in households.
A further response will presume the availability of a supermarket charger with guaranteed availability at the exact time the car's owner wishes to go shopping. This presumes that every car owner will do an individual shopping trip, of course.

[Fundoreen]

I cant believe this will come to pass in a mere 10 years time.
However if its a way to meet some bullst target on emissions by banking the savings now and then rubberstamping vast expansion of polluting air travel it makes sense. It is boris after all.

[Biggy Stardust]

Fundoreen said:

I cant believe this will come to pass in a mere 10 years time.
However if its a way to meet some bullst target on emissions by banking the savings now and then rubberstamping vast expansion of polluting air travel it makes sense. It is boris after all.

Just over 9 years, surely?

[sjg]

Biggy Stardust said:

It was suggested that they be installed at supermarkets:
Do you think the supermarkets will pay for them? How will they recoup the cost, exactly? High charging prices or putting up prices in-store?
Or will councils fund them? Where would they get the money?
Where exactly are the construction workers, plant & materials magically going to come from without construction prices rising?

All reasonable questions which I note you've chosen to not answer.

Probably the same place they find the money to operate petrol forecourts, which with price competition and regular promotions (spend x on shopping get y off fuel) can’t make them much at all.

They’ll do it because it attracts people to their stores, and for charging it has the extra benefit of encouraging people to spend longer there while their car fills up.

[Jazzy Jag]

I'd have to do a shop every day.

[wisbech]

Lily the Pink said:

The only sensible long-term solution to the "Insufficient Offstreet Parking" problem is to develop standardised quick-change batteries with automated battery exchange bays probably initially installed at current filling stations.

Or the Japanese approach. In large cities, you need to show an off street parking permit to have a car.

[anonymous-user]

Fundoreen said:

I cant believe this will come to pass in a mere 10 years time.
However if its a way to meet some bullst target on emissions by banking the savings now and then rubberstamping vast expansion of polluting air travel it makes sense. It is boris after all.

This was opened today:



More are to follow. There is MASSIVE investment and capital behind the move to electrification, it's not just some sort of strange political ideal