New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030
Discussion
jjohnson23 said:
With cars being too expensive to buy except for the wealthy it will be a perfect tool to control movement.
It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
Is the UK more polluted than it was in the Victorian era?It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
otolith said:
Superchargers aren't needed for routine charging. Most people's cars sit unused for 95% of their time, and don't go very far each day, so if they can spend most of that time on charge the rate of charging doesn't need to be high. Street light and parking place charging would be slow, top-up. You'd only really use superchargers for journeys beyond the car's range.
Take one residential street. It doesn't matter if 1 person is supercharging at 120kW or 20 are (very) slow charging at 6kW; the draw on the street lighting circuit is the same; that's a SH!T load of current. It's absurd to suggest a street light circuit can handle charging a whole street of cars without a massive upgrade of everything to the point that it's the street lighting being run off the charging network. jsf said:
jjohnson23 said:
With cars being too expensive to buy except for the wealthy it will be a perfect tool to control movement.
It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
Is the UK more polluted than it was in the Victorian era?It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
jjohnson23 said:
jsf said:
jjohnson23 said:
With cars being too expensive to buy except for the wealthy it will be a perfect tool to control movement.
It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
Is the UK more polluted than it was in the Victorian era?It currently takes me around thirty minutes to cover 22 miles to work (I work permanent nights).
Does anyone think that the infrastructure will ever be there for shift workers?
By the way,I work for a company that supplies parts for a zero emissions vehicle company,the irony is that I will have to try and find a position locally at a lower rate of pay!
The real reason in my mind this has been promoted is to hide the fact that there are too many people in the western world and this will only get worse as time moves on.A simple fact is that the more people there are the more pollution of all types there will be.
fblm said:
otolith said:
Superchargers aren't needed for routine charging. Most people's cars sit unused for 95% of their time, and don't go very far each day, so if they can spend most of that time on charge the rate of charging doesn't need to be high. Street light and parking place charging would be slow, top-up. You'd only really use superchargers for journeys beyond the car's range.
Take one residential street. It doesn't matter if 1 person is supercharging at 120kW or 20 are (very) slow charging at 6kW; the draw on the street lighting circuit is the same; that's a SH!T load of current. It's absurd to suggest a street light circuit can handle charging a whole street of cars without a massive upgrade of everything to the point that it's the street lighting being run off the charging network. It's being rolled out in the UK. We'll have to see at what point it creates a requirement for upgraded infrastructure, but in terms of policy objectives that will be a nice problem to have.
I am confident that as a nation we are no more stupid or incompetent than those other countries which are rolling out kerbside charging infrastructure.
Generally baffled by this. Surely if you want to actually make an impact on CO2 emissions it might be worth starting with the shipping companies. I believe I read an article which stated that only 16 super tankers accounted for similar amounts of CO2 pollution as ALL the cars in the world combined. Ironically the first regulations on emissions for these shipping companies came in only 2015........
Forgetting the: Lack of range
Charge time of 2 hours or more (Lots of fun during rush hour to be had)
Life time of the battery before a new one is needed (not very environmentally friendly)
Inadequate power grid to cope with the millions of cars on our roads
The fact the majority of our electricity is still powered by coal
Its going to kill our hobby. I fear the petrol car will be reserved for the super rich as petrol becomes more and more expensive. It's certainly a very sad time for the petrolhead in the UK.
Forgetting the: Lack of range
Charge time of 2 hours or more (Lots of fun during rush hour to be had)
Life time of the battery before a new one is needed (not very environmentally friendly)
Inadequate power grid to cope with the millions of cars on our roads
The fact the majority of our electricity is still powered by coal
Its going to kill our hobby. I fear the petrol car will be reserved for the super rich as petrol becomes more and more expensive. It's certainly a very sad time for the petrolhead in the UK.
Jazzy Jag said:
I was talking to a guy who is involved in the development of an EV, last week.
While the battery pack has a decent warranty there is a limit to the number of rapid charges allowed under the terms of the warranty.
It amounts to about 2 a week..
Which is fine for technology in 2017. 23 years of focused, high investment R&D will change this.While the battery pack has a decent warranty there is a limit to the number of rapid charges allowed under the terms of the warranty.
It amounts to about 2 a week..
Cobnapint said:
2130 if you're lucky.
Nope. The US is already considering trialling semi-autonomous "big rigs" to run in formation with drivers only doing the last mile.
The high complexity traffic scenarios are well solved if you remove the mixture of human drivers and autonomous vehicles. Autonomous can default to predictable fail safe of "stop". Humans can be unpredictable.
As accidents and injuries per million miles for autonomous vehicles drops, insurers will push human drivers off the road.
We will end up with a graduate scale of autonomous vehicles with premiums matching how much control you give the computer.
Vaud said:
Taxing the power charging through a standardized interface/charging bus, perhaps? or road mile charging based on you vehicle? or time based road mile charging, etc... lots of options that are technically possible now.
Or just have the car report it's usage in the same way your employer reports PAYE.
Just stick an additional tax on the power generation at source and let them choose how to bill customers to pay for it. Or just have the car report it's usage in the same way your employer reports PAYE.
Finding different ways to tax people is not something our governments struggle with!
Vaud said:
Nope.
The US is already considering trialling semi-autonomous "big rigs" to run in formation with drivers only doing the last mile.
The high complexity traffic scenarios are well solved if you remove the mixture of human drivers and autonomous vehicles. Autonomous can default to predictable fail safe of "stop". Humans can be unpredictable.
As accidents and injuries per million miles for autonomous vehicles drops, insurers will push human drivers off the road.
We will end up with a graduate scale of autonomous vehicles with premiums matching how much control you give the computer.
Going Totalitarian has never been a solution.The US is already considering trialling semi-autonomous "big rigs" to run in formation with drivers only doing the last mile.
The high complexity traffic scenarios are well solved if you remove the mixture of human drivers and autonomous vehicles. Autonomous can default to predictable fail safe of "stop". Humans can be unpredictable.
As accidents and injuries per million miles for autonomous vehicles drops, insurers will push human drivers off the road.
We will end up with a graduate scale of autonomous vehicles with premiums matching how much control you give the computer.
rb26 said:
Generally baffled by this. Surely if you want to actually make an impact on CO2 emissions it might be worth starting with the shipping companies. I believe I read an article which stated that only 16 super tankers accounted for similar amounts of CO2 pollution as ALL the cars in the world combined. Ironically the first regulations on emissions for these shipping companies came in only 2015........
Shipping accounts for lots of Nox and SO2 pollution because they burn heavy fuel oil. A totally different pollution problem to CO2.
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