New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030

[anonymous-user]

Mad idea conceived by idiots with no clue as to what it will do to the economy when it comes into force let alone in the years running up to it when thousands of businesses start to close due to lack of orders.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Beyond Rational said:

"The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty - a fad."

The majority will most likely not own cars by 2040. Car manufacturers will move into providing roving autonomous fleets of vehicles, which are booked or hailed as required.

Which is great until you find the one you get into, was just used by some p*ss heads, and they have puked, and crapped in it whilst being carried home by it

[Badvok]

Z064life said:

What about performance motoring?

Ludicrous mode. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vk2cdwpg0jI

[Type R Tom]

V6Pushfit said:

Mad idea conceived by idiots with no clue as to what it will do to the economy when it comes into force let alone in the years running up to it when thousands of businesses start to close due to lack of orders.

As far as I understand it you will still legally be able to buy petrol up to that point, you'll probably find the opposite with a mad rush to buy petrol in the last few years.

[gazzarose]

I think the main problems are going to be lamp of capacity from the grid and the big one is no where to charge a car for most people.

In my street I'm lucky to park within 60ft of my house most days so even a PHEV won't really work ad I'll be leaving the house most days with a car dragging a loaf of dead weight around with it. I dont know what the solution is, but big announcements like this only really serve to keep the crack pots happy.

[Type R Tom]

Aren't we really looking at serious problems about another 10-15 years or so after the deadline when the vehicles purchased in the 2030's start to reach the end of their life. At that point "everyone" will need to be electrical with the associated infrastructure.

For on street the only option is wireless charging pads I would think to avoid cables everywhere but I bet most on PH won't have to worry with their double drives.

[Cobnapint]

There are that many flaws with this ludicrous bandwagon jumping announcement is hard to know where to start.

By 2040, even most of today's EU6 vehicles will have been dropped into the crusher, and we'll probably be at something like EU10.

Technology is already in the process of reducing emissions - the problem is diminishing.

They are using a sledgehammer to crack an already cracked nut.

[redrabbit]

At what point in this inevitable slide away from petrol do we think overheating in classic car market will first show signs of reversing? I know there'll be little impact at the top end where the cars are treated like Picassos and never actually used; I'm thinking about the £10-100k stuff.

[Guybrush]

I wonder if this looking at so called pollution other than CO2 is because CO2 has been recognised as not such a problem after all.

[Junior Bianno]

By 2040 this is going to be a moot point. Can't think it's very likely that many manufacturers will still have demand for ICE vehicles. Electric is simply a superior powertrain for day to day driving. I've got two hybrids (330e and X5e) and I use electric only wherever possible. It's quiet, smooth, quick, cheap (for now)...what more could you want. I'm sure in the next 23 years the performance end of electric will be improved to the extent ICE will be redundant apart from very niche cars.

(...and I'm not a treehugger BTW - these hybrids come after a long line of Porsches and M cars. They are just actually really good.)

[Cobnapint]

Yep. This is going to throw the new car market and associated industries into total disarray in about ten years time.

Hardly anything will have been done infrastructure wise to back up this knee jerk announcement and the car industry won't know which way to turn.

[danllama]

trickywoo said:

fblm said:

Jimboka said:

danllama said:

bloomen said:

This is 23 years away. 99.5% of vehicles rolling around now will be long gone by then anyway.

If range issues were sorted now I'd be happily tooling around in an electric vehicle right now for everyday stuff.

Are 99.5% of cars from 1994 long gone?

No, absolutely not. This is PH, stop being a dick.

So around 2% still about. Not such a dick afterall

2% registered, its not much of a stretch to imagine only a 1/4 of those actually being used either. Nice work JD!

Apart from the fact that is just one years stats. There will still be pre 94 cars around too, albeit in diminishing numbers. However will 93 and 92 be much less?

Still a small number but a bit of a logic fail to quote one year and congratulate yourself for being right.

Thank you. Its amusing that had to be pointed out.

On top of that, the figure doesn't take into cars imported after their 1994 build date etc.

I just think you've got to be a bit of a dick to be on PH and welcome the demise of the Ice. Fight the corner ffs.

[xjay1337]

Cobnapint said:

Yep. This is going to throw the new car market and associated industries into total disarray in about ten years time.

Hardly anything will have been done infrastructure wise to back up this knee jerk announcement and the car industry won't know which way to turn.

This is part of the issue in my eyes. The infrastructure. Down my road there are 4 rows of 4 terraced houses. None of which have a driveway. Trailing cables 40ft across gardens, paths and roads?

It is totally un-doable. Push hybrid technology as well. And at the moment, electric technology is not good enough to be soley relied on for many people.

Honestly this country frustrates me sometimes.

[BigEgo]

Shell, BP etc won't continue to refine petrol or run petrol stations right up to 2040. It doesn't make business sense. So what if you can't physically buy petrol from a few years earlier? What about 2035 maybe?

[mcdjl]

Cobnapint said:

Yep. This is going to throw the new car market and associated industries into total disarray in about ten years time.

Hardly anything will have been done infrastructure wise to back up this knee jerk announcement and the car industry won't know which way to turn.

This is my worry. I live in a terrace house (only 4 long) and the end houses have drives. Even so it's rare I'm parked directly outside typical that I can see my car, but not unusual for it to be on anther road. This weekend I'll be camping about an hour (60miles) away but with no charging opportunity. It will take a massive change in ownership models or infrastructure or life style to make all electric cars work. Hybrid, yep I'd have one tomorrow if I had the cash.

[Type R Tom]

danllama said:

Thank you. Its amusing that had to be pointed out.

On top of that, the figure doesn't take into cars imported after their 1994 build date etc.

I just think you've got to be a bit of a dick to be on PH and welcome the demise of the Ice. Fight the corner ffs.

You are just being pedantic, it's obvious what he's getting at. After all, how regularly do you see non 51 cars on the road now used everyday. Most will be tucked away classics or interesting stuff, not Novas, Cavaliers, Escorts and Granada's.

Saying someone is a dick for not embracing the future is well......... being a dick!

[Smollet]

There's going to a very sizeable gap in tax revenues to fill when this goes ahead. Now I wonder just how that will be dealt with.

[Type R Tom]

BigEgo said:

Shell, BP etc won't continue to refine petrol or run petrol stations right up to 2040. It doesn't make business sense. So what if you can't physically buy petrol from a few years earlier? What about 2035 maybe?

Did you not read the word NEW cars.

[easytiger123]

RIP cadence clutching

[Cobnapint]

Smollet said:

There's going to a very sizeable gap in tax revenues to fill when this goes ahead. Now I wonder just how that will be dealt with.

They'll increase the tax on scrap metal merchants profits - the incidence of cable theft will go through the roof.