New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030
Discussion
anonymous said:
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http://thenewswheel.com/company-may-have-solved-inner-city-ev-charging-problem-using-streetlamps/And here in Sweden, most car parks and supermarket parking have quite a few charging stations.
I can even use an app on my phone, walk down the street and unlock and electric vehicle and use it for a couple of hours and return it and plug it back in and I get a modest hire charge to my chosen payment method. I suppose it is not surprising people on a motoring forum are frustrated about this but the technology is almost here and it is practical for many situations.
You'd be quite stupid to poo poo the idea and think that they/we (humans) won't find a way around all the issues raised.
People were aghast and worried when steam was invented and kicked up a fuss, then they moaned when the tram took a slice, then again when diesel and petrol engines took over.
Where are those lovely steam locos now? Oh yeah, they are in museums.
You will not stop the march of progress, end of.
How much has renewable energy progressed in recent years?
And that is 2 years out of date.
It's coming, get used to it.
People were aghast and worried when steam was invented and kicked up a fuss, then they moaned when the tram took a slice, then again when diesel and petrol engines took over.
Where are those lovely steam locos now? Oh yeah, they are in museums.
You will not stop the march of progress, end of.
How much has renewable energy progressed in recent years?
And that is 2 years out of date.
It's coming, get used to it.
Z064life said:
Why? New petrol cars aren't that bad on pollution, granted we shouldn't rely on finite sources of energy, but can't just bully drivers.
And what will happen to electricity? It will get taxed through the roof to make up for lost revenue on petrol. And that will hit us in the house not just for the car!
This is such a hairbrained scheme, hopefully manufacturers lobby it!
But happy to rely on the finite resources of rare earth elements to build the batteries.And what will happen to electricity? It will get taxed through the roof to make up for lost revenue on petrol. And that will hit us in the house not just for the car!
This is such a hairbrained scheme, hopefully manufacturers lobby it!
I'm going to make sure I enjoy as many noisy, loony petrol cars as I can before this happens 
I can't see classics being outlawed though, maybe in cities perhaps.
Oil will surely still be refined, will we have electric planes by that time?, and will all houses be heated without fossil fuels?
I can't see classics being outlawed though, maybe in cities perhaps.
Oil will surely still be refined, will we have electric planes by that time?, and will all houses be heated without fossil fuels?
BigEgo said:
Type R Tom said:
Did you not read the word NEW cars.
Do you think it's good business to keep all your infrastructure and employees going at full cost to service a declining market?Good luck buying petrol in 2045!
That also assume they don't move with the market to rapid charging and continue to sell overpriced pies!
If these environmental activist solicitors are really keen on reducing pollution, surely they should be seeking to ban so-called traffic calming and "anti-car" traffic lights where only one road out of four is on green at a time with no filters on the others.
I live in a one-street small town with a traffic light controlled T-junction causing permanent queues; when the lights are out of order traffic flows much more freely!
I live in a one-street small town with a traffic light controlled T-junction causing permanent queues; when the lights are out of order traffic flows much more freely!
Who knows where technology will be in 23 year's time. The Government certainly doesn't.
I don't see it as something that couldn't be done. But bear in mind that this is a government pronouncement about something almost a quarter of a century down the line. Governments can't even predict what will happen 24 hours in the future, let alone 24 years.
And, just to put this in context, here are some other government deadline dates that were less than accurate -
All UK radio stations to be 100% digital by 2015
Banks to abolish cheque books by 2018
Introduction of digital taxation system by 5 April 2018
Compulsory ID cards by 2008
I don't see it as something that couldn't be done. But bear in mind that this is a government pronouncement about something almost a quarter of a century down the line. Governments can't even predict what will happen 24 hours in the future, let alone 24 years.
And, just to put this in context, here are some other government deadline dates that were less than accurate -
All UK radio stations to be 100% digital by 2015
Banks to abolish cheque books by 2018
Introduction of digital taxation system by 5 April 2018
Compulsory ID cards by 2008
The story I read is that all new cars sold after 2040 will have to be electric. So petrol and diesel will be around for a while yet.
You can still get 4 Star in my local garage!
Overall though I think it's a good thing. People breathing is more important than people hooning. Better get used to putting on that V8 tunnels.mp3!
You can still get 4 Star in my local garage!
Overall though I think it's a good thing. People breathing is more important than people hooning. Better get used to putting on that V8 tunnels.mp3!
BigEgo said:
Type R Tom said:
Did you not read the word NEW cars.
Do you think it's good business to keep all your infrastructure and employees going at full cost to service a declining market?Good luck buying petrol in 2045!
Type R Tom said:
It depends, do the maths on the numbers of cars that are scrapped vs sold every year and you'll probably get an idea of when the point it won't be profitable but it definitely won't be 5 years before the deadline as you first said!
That also assume they don't move with the market to rapid charging and continue to sell overpriced pies!
True - you'd think charging stations would be a good reuse of most petrol station forecourts. Although most will charge at home most of the time, and I think that a lot of small inner city petrol stations would just be too small. They usually have room for drive in, 4 cars at pumps and drive out in a few minutes. The nature of cars needing to sit for 30mins plus just won't work on small premises?That also assume they don't move with the market to rapid charging and continue to sell overpriced pies!
A lot of infrastructure to sort out for sure...
Ziplobb said:
what do all the oils companies think about this then ? these are huge worldwide concerns - their revenues will drop of a cliff edge at some point but surely there will also be a decline 5/10 years before the deadline.
It already has, it's not difficult to trawl the net and find out how many oil workers have been put out of work in recent years.You do realise oil is put to many other uses? One of them is making plastic, you know that rare supremely adaptable product you never see much of?
Cold said:
I heard that every new house without off-road parking and a charging point will be banned too.
Quite a reversal (in some ways welcome)from idiot Prescott's dictat that planners should restrict off road parking spaces on new build in order to discourage car use. In some ways, that's to be welcomed. IIRC, in Japan, you can't have a car unless you have an off-road parking space.In other news, one of our engineering apprentices has graduated, been taken on here full time and has been working overtime to save up for... a tracked-out MX5. So the youth still hold the faith, petrolheads will prevail!
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