New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
Cobnapint said:
Yep. This is going to throw the new car market and associated industries into total disarray in about ten years time.
Hardly anything will have been done infrastructure wise to back up this knee jerk announcement and the car industry won't know which way to turn.
This is part of the issue in my eyes. The infrastructure. Down my road there are 4 rows of 4 terraced houses. None of which have a driveway. Trailing cables 40ft across gardens, paths and roads?Hardly anything will have been done infrastructure wise to back up this knee jerk announcement and the car industry won't know which way to turn.
It is totally un-doable. Push hybrid technology as well. And at the moment, electric technology is not good enough to be soley relied on for many people.
Honestly this country frustrates me sometimes.
I've manage to get power to my new shed which is 100ft from my house, and it took very little effort.
We've been burying and stringing cables overhead since the discovery of electricity. Its really not difficult.
Its highly likely that there would be on street chargers anyway, or even more likely that you will buy car journeys as a service rather then owning one out right.
danllama said:
trickywoo said:
fblm said:
Jimboka said:
danllama said:
bloomen said:
This is 23 years away. 99.5% of vehicles rolling around now will be long gone by then anyway.
If range issues were sorted now I'd be happily tooling around in an electric vehicle right now for everyday stuff.
Are 99.5% of cars from 1994 long gone?If range issues were sorted now I'd be happily tooling around in an electric vehicle right now for everyday stuff.
No, absolutely not. This is PH, stop being a dick.
Still a small number but a bit of a logic fail to quote one year and congratulate yourself for being right.
On top of that, the figure doesn't take into cars imported after their 1994 build date etc.
I just think you've got to be a bit of a dick to be on PH and welcome the demise of the Ice. Fight the corner ffs.
anonymous said:
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It's all very well talking about the practicalities of charging on the street, that's not my infrastructure concern.We are going to need masses more power generation in the grid to cope. Planning for that needs to start now but are this government doing that? Are they f
k.Without huge technology advances, the slow removal of fossil fuels means the world's going to get a whole lot larger again.
We have various technologies in our workplace to hold distant meetings via Skype etc. However, our customers still prefer face to face - especially to sort out issues. It will take a seismic shift in attitude to change that. I travelled from Newcastle to Oxford and back in a day recently for essentially a half hour meeting. I could have done this over the phone, but my efforts to get to the customer will be remembered and stand us a higher ground against our competition who wouldn't bother. The same goes for Europe, the Middle East and our American customers.
The world has become so dependant on oil and with developing countries still gearing up and getting into the act, if our replacement technology isn't a firm contender, we as a country will just get left behind.
Cars aside, how are we going to replace air travel when the fuel becomes scarce, which it will in time obviously. Is this the golden age we're in now?
We have various technologies in our workplace to hold distant meetings via Skype etc. However, our customers still prefer face to face - especially to sort out issues. It will take a seismic shift in attitude to change that. I travelled from Newcastle to Oxford and back in a day recently for essentially a half hour meeting. I could have done this over the phone, but my efforts to get to the customer will be remembered and stand us a higher ground against our competition who wouldn't bother. The same goes for Europe, the Middle East and our American customers.
The world has become so dependant on oil and with developing countries still gearing up and getting into the act, if our replacement technology isn't a firm contender, we as a country will just get left behind.
Cars aside, how are we going to replace air travel when the fuel becomes scarce, which it will in time obviously. Is this the golden age we're in now?
I have no problem at all with electric cars, I think they're great. However I really would like to know where all the electricity is going to come from; that's the absolute kicker for this in the UK. We are barely generating enough now and add in 30 million vehicles and it just isn't going to happen. They need to start stamping out nuclear power stations and do it now, not after ten years of public enquiry, and affordable ones too, not this crazy scheme involving the Chinese.
I'll be 72 in 2037 and in many ways I'm glad I'll be on my last legs - even now I think that modern Britain really is crap; dumbed down, PC, where policy is dictated on the fly and influenced by social media. In a few years I'll probably be being openly abused for my "white male privilege". The future? You can keep it.
I'll be 72 in 2037 and in many ways I'm glad I'll be on my last legs - even now I think that modern Britain really is crap; dumbed down, PC, where policy is dictated on the fly and influenced by social media. In a few years I'll probably be being openly abused for my "white male privilege". The future? You can keep it.
trickywoo said:
Apart from the fact that is just one years stats. There will still be pre 94 cars around too, albeit in diminishing numbers. However will 93 and 92 be much less?
Still a small number but a bit of a logic fail to quote one year and congratulate yourself for being right.
11% for everything before 1994Still a small number but a bit of a logic fail to quote one year and congratulate yourself for being right.
about 10,000 less cars from 93, and about the same drop to 1992
hornetrider said:
anonymous said:
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It's all very well talking about the practicalities of charging on the street, that's not my infrastructure concern.We are going to need masses more power generation in the grid to cope. Planning for that needs to start now but are this government doing that? Are they f
k.Power stations take a long time to plan, build and commission. And they're bloody expensive.
Nobody's really put any thought into this announcement have they.
227bhp said:
You'd be quite stupid to poo poo the idea and think that they/we (humans) won't find a way around all the issues raised.
People were aghast and worried when steam was invented and kicked up a fuss, then they moaned when the tram took a slice, then again when diesel and petrol engines took over.
Where are those lovely steam locos now? Oh yeah, they are in museums.
You will not stop the march of progress, end of.
How much has renewable energy progressed in recent years?
And that is 2 years out of date.
It's coming, get used to it.
That graphic seems to say that about 85% of leccy generation uses renewable sources. Is that right? And is that UK? (I'm not sure about 'other bio-energy' and 'landfill gas' being renewable, mind you.)People were aghast and worried when steam was invented and kicked up a fuss, then they moaned when the tram took a slice, then again when diesel and petrol engines took over.
Where are those lovely steam locos now? Oh yeah, they are in museums.
You will not stop the march of progress, end of.
How much has renewable energy progressed in recent years?
And that is 2 years out of date.
It's coming, get used to it.
or even diesel. That should be fun
sanguinary said:
Without huge technology advances, the slow removal of fossil fuels means the world's going to get a whole lot larger again.
We have various technologies in our workplace to hold distant meetings via Skype etc. However, our customers still prefer face to face - especially to sort out issues. It will take a seismic shift in attitude to change that. I travelled from Newcastle to Oxford and back in a day recently for essentially a half hour meeting. I could have done this over the phone, but my efforts to get to the customer will be remembered and stand us a higher ground against our competition who wouldn't bother. The same goes for Europe, the Middle East and our American customers.
The world has become so dependant on oil and with developing countries still gearing up and getting into the act, if our replacement technology isn't a firm contender, we as a country will just get left behind.
Cars aside, how are we going to replace air travel when the fuel becomes scarce, which it will in time obviously. Is this the golden age we're in now?
There definitely needs to be a change of attitude that will come with future generations I hope, what you describe from a financial point of view alone is ludicrous - who pays for that? Working from home would be a good start, just imagine the reduction in traffic levels and emissions if everyone not in the service industry didn't drive 1 day a week. Virtual desktop and IP phones means there is no need to be in the office for many of us 5 days a week. We have various technologies in our workplace to hold distant meetings via Skype etc. However, our customers still prefer face to face - especially to sort out issues. It will take a seismic shift in attitude to change that. I travelled from Newcastle to Oxford and back in a day recently for essentially a half hour meeting. I could have done this over the phone, but my efforts to get to the customer will be remembered and stand us a higher ground against our competition who wouldn't bother. The same goes for Europe, the Middle East and our American customers.
The world has become so dependant on oil and with developing countries still gearing up and getting into the act, if our replacement technology isn't a firm contender, we as a country will just get left behind.
Cars aside, how are we going to replace air travel when the fuel becomes scarce, which it will in time obviously. Is this the golden age we're in now?
Z064life said:
Why? New petrol cars aren't that bad on pollution, granted we shouldn't rely on finite sources of energy, but can't just bully drivers.
This is such a hairbrained scheme, hopefully manufacturers lobby it!
The manufacturers that are all spending billions on EV technology?This is such a hairbrained scheme, hopefully manufacturers lobby it!
Don't hold your breath.
hornetrider said:
It's all very well talking about the practicalities of charging on the street, that's not my infrastructure concern.
We are going to need masses more power generation in the grid to cope. .
Yeah, but smart meters innit? And batteries. they are going to get better (apparently). We are going to need masses more power generation in the grid to cope. .
I understand from a bloke on the radio that your batteries will be part of a wider national grid that will supplement supplies when there is peak demand and renewables are not pulling their weight.
What will happen is that everyone will plug their EV in for charging overnight and so that everyones EV battery will charge up everyone else EV battery. Simples
Cobnapint said:
hornetrider said:
anonymous said:
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It's all very well talking about the practicalities of charging on the street, that's not my infrastructure concern.We are going to need masses more power generation in the grid to cope. Planning for that needs to start now but are this government doing that? Are they f
k.Power stations take a long time to plan, build and commission. And they're bloody expensive.
Nobody's really put any thought into this announcement have they.
Maxym said:
Will this news cause the classic car bubble to burst, or more likely deflate? Having a classic irrelevance doesn't seem too attractive to me. People haven't been investing in horses and carts for years.
They have. Still a good few enthusiasts running steam traction engines too. My office overlooks the A51 in Midlands and it's not uncommon to see the things chugging and puffing their way to and from fairs.Maxym said:
Will this news cause the classic car bubble to burst, or more likely deflate? Having a classic irrelevance doesn't seem too attractive to me. People haven't been investing in horses and carts for years.
I already see a marketing opportunity for selling horse harnesses for classic petrol and diesel cars.The EUHS1 8 horse power deluxe harness is currently top of the range but I am working on a bigger version for petrol hypercars complete with horses
t collection and recycling.Still working on the direct injection haybag feeding system.
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