Cyclist likely to be convicted of manslaughter..
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Please let's not clamour for jay walking laws! The kneejerk "let's legislate" attitude of successive rubbish Governments has infected the public, alas. There is probably a case for a legislative change to make bicycling like a tit a crime, but let's stop there. Rather than curb freedom by adding a hard to enforce jaywalking law to the books, why not instead run a public education campaign to get pedestrians to pay attention? In any event, the main responsibility for road safety has to remain with those who are not on foot, as non-pedestrians are at the controls of machines (including bikes) which can kill.
Fat Fairy said:
What a lot of people seem to forget, while talking of jaywalking laws etc, is that Walking is the ground state of being for the hairless ape. How exactly do people want to legislate anything to with our natural form of movement?
I drive, and I cycle. I understand that neither is a natural state, and I am in control of a piece of machinery that will bloody well hurt, at the least, if I hit someone.
If I then have a stinky attitude, and try to blame anyone but myself, it should not surprise me if the rest of civilisation disagrees with me.
FF
Well said.I drive, and I cycle. I understand that neither is a natural state, and I am in control of a piece of machinery that will bloody well hurt, at the least, if I hit someone.
If I then have a stinky attitude, and try to blame anyone but myself, it should not surprise me if the rest of civilisation disagrees with me.
FF
Watch two skiers collide on piste. Then during the recriminations the uphill skier (especially if he or she is a Millennial) may say "you got in my way". That skier has not learned a basic rule - the uphill skier must avoid the skier downhill, and that means anticipating the chance of a sudden crazy move (or a tumble) by the downhill skier. Much the same when it comes to being on a road - we are supposed to be ready to react if another road user does a daft thing.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st September 12:34
turbomoped said:
while this seems like a soft punishment at least its in borstal which looks like a madhouse on that im the daddy film....
Borstals were abolished ages ago. Now we have YOIs, which are more like regular prisons, but a bit different. They are still pretty grim places. I have been inside a prison, and a YOI, and an immigration detention centre (all whilst working). They are not fun places. PS: That was Ray faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackin Winstone, that was.
Angrybiker said:
This was a road, not a ski slope. Different rules. You're also supposed to be aware of the impact that your actions will have on other road users. Hence the stuff about not doing things that will cause others to brake; mirror signal manoeuvre, etc.
I was talking about principles, not rules. The point of anticipating what the more vulnerable person may do holds good for skier vs skier as it does for vehicle vs pedestrian, or big vehicle vs small vehicle etc. Saying "the Highway Code says that X must not do Y" does not help. Reality indicates that X might sometimes do Y. Also, simple self preservation may suggest that hazard avoidance trumps entitlement -
"Here lies the body of William Jay
Who died maintaining his right of way -
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
Those of you who do no uphill skiing are missing out on the best part of skiing, which is ski touring, and that involves skiing uphill some of the time Joking apart, ski touring connects you to skiing of a kind written about by Hemingway. it is like time travel to an era before crowded resorts, and pylons everywhere. But that is all by the by because, as of course you knew, in context the uphill skier means the skier who is above the skier below. The skier above should avoid the skier below. The person with more control over the possibility of accident has to do more to avoid it than the person with less control over the scenario. That applied to the cyclist in this case.
If the water skier crashes into the tow boat, who gets fired/thrown in jail? I tried water skiing once, but I totally sucked at it. At least I got to detox from all the disgusting American all-inclusive food and crappy cheap rum cocktails by drinking about half of the Caribbean and having a good old chunder.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 September 08:54
heebeegeetee said:
The article is specifically about an article written by Martin Porter QC. That article highlights a couple of tragic cases, including the death of a 26 year old German student. Another link describes the agonising distress her family went through.
Split your sides over it, makes no odds to me. Take the piss right out of Martin Porter or any you like who tries to bring numpty or killer drivers to account.
It's just the gross hypocrisy from people such as yourself, when you pretend to make out that you care about road safety by whining and whinging about cyclists.
Of course we all know that were it your 26 year old daughter, you wouldn't be laughing for a long time.
Split your sides over it, makes no odds to me. Take the piss right out of Martin Porter or any you like who tries to bring numpty or killer drivers to account.
It's just the gross hypocrisy from people such as yourself, when you pretend to make out that you care about road safety by whining and whinging about cyclists.
Of course we all know that were it your 26 year old daughter, you wouldn't be laughing for a long time.
Donbot said:
FiF said:
I've never ridden a bike on a banked track but there does seem to be some insistence about it helping stability which either has some foundation in fact, or may be just complete ballocks. Trying to throw a theory that may support, would be useful if someone could explain why, away from car analogies, because personal experience suggests application to cars doesn't make sense.
I'm not sure how a fixed hub would provide stability either. I'll ask my coach about it when I'm at the velodrome Wednesday if they have an opinion on this. Donbot said:
fblm said:
Donbot said:
It's a banked track so you won't slip. Going round the velodrome you don't even turn the bars in the corner, it's like riding in a straight line.
Then I definitely don't understand how fixed pedals provide stability then! How fast do you go?
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