45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[Halmyre]

Countdown said:

jmorgan said:

Now a report on NBC that he is for taxing the internet? That has got to be out of context shirley?

This?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/trump-hits-amazon-...

Trump said:

Why is the United States Post Office, which is losing many billions of dollars a year, while charging Amazon and others so little to deliver their packages, making Amazon richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer? Should be charging MUCH MORE!

His stupidity never ceases to amaze. Does he think the USPO are doing Amazon some kind of favour?

Give the poor man a break. It's not as if he's a businessman or something; he doesn't understand this sort of thing.

[Countdown]

RobDickinson said:

Obama was hamstrung by not having the other branches of government on side most of the time. Yet he still turned round a failing economy. 800,000 job losses a quarter when he took over turned round in about a year.

In fairness I don't think you can give Obama the credit for turning the economy around, just as you can't give Trump any credit for the economy continuing to do well. The economic policies of Governments and the results of these policies aren't apparent until years/decades later, and sometimes even not then, because there are too many variables.

However it's the Tosser-in-Chief who trumpeted before the election "We're fked! The USA is fked! Everything's fked!" even though things were fine and then, after the election, "It's Great, Everything's Great! and it's all down to ME ME ME". At what point are the Trumpettes going to realise it's bull-dooodoo that he's feeding them and bull-doodoo that they're swallowing?

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

However it's the Tosser-in-Chief who trumpeted before the election "We're fked! The USA is fked! Everything's fked!" even though things were fine and then, after the election, "It's Great, Everything's Great! and it's all down to ME ME ME". At what point are the Trumpettes going to realise it's bull-dooodoo that he's feeding them and bull-doodoo that they're swallowing?

Thing is, people believe what they want to believe and what fits in with their world view. And reject what doesn’t.

Eg: birthers. Willing to believe something implausible, uncorroborated and contrary to the evidence that existed. Because they didn’t like Obama. Most of us do more moderate versions of this a quite a lot. But it seems to be particularly virulent in the US at the moment with the rejection of obvious truths in favour of outlandish BS.

[ferrisbueller]

AreOut said:

it's up to them to decide how many refugees/foreigners they want to admit to the country, why do you think you have the right to tell them how many they should bring? USA/UK started several stupid wars lately and might have moral obligation to accept some, Japan on the other side wasn't in war since WWII.

Remind me how Japan's last foray into war ended?

Short of being directly attacked or invaded there can't be many justifications the Japanese would view as valid reasons to take up arms.

[ferrisbueller]

Trump is:

Racist
Ignorant
Sexually abusive
Stupid
Etc

His voters:

Don't care

See those report cards? They genuinely don't give a fk as long as they perceive he's making their bubble better.

[jmorgan]

Countdown said:

jmorgan said:

Now a report on NBC that he is for taxing the internet? That has got to be out of context shirley?

This?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/trump-hits-amazon-...

Trump said:

Why is the United States Post Office, which is losing many billions of dollars a year, while charging Amazon and others so little to deliver their packages, making Amazon richer and the Post Office dumber and poorer? Should be charging MUCH MORE!

His stupidity never ceases to amaze. Does he think the USPO are doing Amazon some kind of favour?

Thats the bunny.

[Halmyre]

ferrisbueller said:

AreOut said:

it's up to them to decide how many refugees/foreigners they want to admit to the country, why do you think you have the right to tell them how many they should bring? USA/UK started several stupid wars lately and might have moral obligation to accept some, Japan on the other side wasn't in war since WWII.

Remind me how Japan's last foray into war ended?

Short of being directly attacked or invaded there can't be many justifications the Japanese would view as valid reasons to take up arms.

And looking at the resources of their armed forces, they would appear to be quite capable of rebuffing any such approaches.

[mikal83]

Byker28i said:

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

He certainly gave hope to a large segment of the US population though. Perhaps his inability to deliver and lack of decent candidates meant that segment didn't vote in as large numbers this time and so eased Trump's path to victory.

Same could be said about Trump voters, funny how they are seen as deluded idiot fools by many but Obama voters where not. One thing is for sure the Obama voters have now been proven to have had false hope and in away proven to be deluded. I wont call them idiots or fools because I don't think they are.

Its likely that Trump voters will learn the same lessons. I just don't like how one group is criticized and called one thing and another group is praised for doing almost exactly the same thing.

The difference being Obama's message was "you're as good as anyone else" whereas Trump's is "they've taken your jobs/money, time to take it back"

Let's just counter this rubbish that NTM likes to produce, that trump isn't racist.
Trump has been convicted in court of being racist, because he didn't want to rent apartments to black people.

Just since he started his election he has:
Called for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the US
Claimed he lost his Trump University case because the judge was mexican
Claimed all mexicans were rapists and thieves
Claimed for years that Obama wasn't american
Points out crimes in the US or UK committed by dark skinned people but ignores those by white supremacists or white shooters
Speaking of White Supremacists - called them 'fine people' , would not speak against David Duke and his comments even when asked on TV
His support for Roy Moore and Joe Arpaio

and thats just from the top of my head, I've no doubt I've missed many, many more

He's created this 'stuation' though his consistant racist language and behaviour. We shouldn't be surprised because this is what he's done for years, but to claim that he isn't racist and appealing to his racist base is nothing short of an astonishing attempt to normalise this behaviour. If nothing else it's outed several people

But apart from that, he's an OK guy!!!! Oh the pussy grabbing and settlements but hey, doesn't everyone.

[Gameface]

RobDickinson said:

Obama was hamstrung by not having the other branches of government on side most of the time. Yet he still turned round a failing economy. 800,000 job losses a quarter when he took over turned round in about a year.

And if Obama was so st why does Trump try to claim credit for things that happened under Obama's watch?

[_dobbo_]

Not-The-Messiah said:

No some people are just desperate to believe he has a issue, So desperate that they will jump on anything and twist it to fit their own view.

If a Japaneses tourist was to travel past lets say a run down council estate of this country and says "That's a bit of a sthole" are they racist?

Once again your whataboutism demonstrates spectacularly that you don't understand racism.

[Escapegoat]

AreOut said:

Escapegoat said:

You don't need such a poorly contrived comparison; Japanese society does have a huge problem with racism. (It's also far worse than America on welcoming refugees, for example.)

it's up to them to decide how many refugees/foreigners they want to admit to the country, why do you think you have the right to tell them how many they should bring?

(sigh) Japan signed an obligation: http://www.unhcr.org/3b73b0d63.html It's also one of the 4 largest donors to UNHCR. But its actions make a mockery of the words: it grants refugee status to about 30 people a year, out of >10,000 asylum applications.

AreOut said:

USA/UK started several stupid wars lately and might have moral obligation to accept some,

This is an interesting point, worth a thread of its own. I'll just point out that you didn't add your favourite country (Russia) to that list. (I'll also accept that the number of refugees looking for asylum in Russia is very small, while noting that Putin himself showed great humanity by personally accepting some poor persecuted soul called Gerard Depardieu.)

[Byker28i]

Escapegoat said:

AreOut said:

Escapegoat said:

You don't need such a poorly contrived comparison; Japanese society does have a huge problem with racism. (It's also far worse than America on welcoming refugees, for example.)

it's up to them to decide how many refugees/foreigners they want to admit to the country, why do you think you have the right to tell them how many they should bring?

(sigh) Japan signed an obligation: http://www.unhcr.org/3b73b0d63.html It's also one of the 4 largest donors to UNHCR. But its actions make a mockery of the words: it grants refugee status to about 30 people a year, out of >10,000 asylum applications.

AreOut said:

USA/UK started several stupid wars lately and might have moral obligation to accept some,

This is an interesting point, worth a thread of its own. I'll just point out that you didn't add your favourite country (Russia) to that list. (I'll also accept that the number of refugees looking for asylum in Russia is very small, while noting that Putin himself showed great humanity by personally accepting some poor persecuted soul called Gerard Depardieu.)

and snowdon...

[Mrr T]

Countdown said:

jmorgan said:

Now a report on NBC that he is for taxing the internet? That has got to be out of context shirley?

This?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/trump-hits-amazon-...

Once again the Trumpet seems to have missed the point. I understand Amazon already collect sales taxes for about 40 states, since I think 4 do not have a sales tax, it suggests the problem is already resolved.

[Byker28i]

It's all distraction anyway.

So much coming up soon in the Trump-Russia investigation: Hicks, Lewandowski, and Bannon to give testimony soon. Ok some of that is to the committee Nunes is running to try to discover what the evidence is and then to coverup/hide it but theres the other committee and Mueller to come.

Then we've got Mueller to ask Trump for an interview. Should be interesting seeing as Trump doesn't think he can even be charged for obstruction and is busy trotting out the 'no collusion' line.
Trump says the very idea that he obstructed justice by ousting the FBI director investigating the scandal is practically an impossibility.
“And how can they talk about obstruction when I was the most open person, in history?”

He did in fact say: "So, they make up a crime, and the crime doesn’t exist. And then they say obstruction. And how could there be obstruction on firing Comey? When the man who’s in charge of it wrote a letter that was far stronger than anything I would have written. He was in charge – Deputy Rosenstein. He wrote a letter that’s far stronger than even what I say.”

Mueller will take him to the cleaners.
Then we've the new indictments Senator Blumenthal predicted would come very early in 2018.

No wonder he wants other distractions

[Vaud]

Mrr T said:

Countdown said:

jmorgan said:

Now a report on NBC that he is for taxing the internet? That has got to be out of context shirley?

This?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/trump-hits-amazon-...

Once again the Trumpet seems to have missed the point. I understand Amazon already collect sales taxes for about 40 states, since I think 4 do not have a sales tax, it suggests the problem is already resolved.

I can sort of see his point - the post service was designed as a letters and parcel business. One is declining, the other soaring. Parcels need more infrastructure.

Presumably the US costs of postage and the "business" is regulated. It is a federal agency.... so presumably they have their hands tied on the postal costs and dependent on the budget process for funding and investment?

The solution may be to allow them to raise funds directly on the market and to deregulate their postage fees?

[Halb]

Escapegoat said:

This is an interesting point, worth a thread of its own. I'll just point out that you didn't add your favourite country (Russia) to that list. (I'll also accept that the number of refugees looking for asylum in Russia is very small, while noting that Putin himself showed great humanity by personally accepting some poor persecuted soul called Gerard Depardieu.)

I think when it comes to form, UK/USA are worse at starting wars in recent times. I looked at Russia, and it seems to be mostly border skirmishes.

[Vaud]

Halb said:

I think when it comes to form, UK/USA are worse at starting wars in recent times. I looked at Russia, and it seems to be mostly border skirmishes.

You class the Ukraine as a border skirmish? Surely is a "salami tactic" (slice by slice) invasion?

[Escapegoat]

Halb said:

I think when it comes to form, UK/USA are worse at starting wars in recent times. I looked at Russia, and it seems to be mostly border skirmishes.

It's true that Russia different ambitions (and reach) than USA/UK. But Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya, Syria, etc. Anyway, I was just pointing out AreOut's curious omission rather than trying to create a sub-thread, so I'll shut up now.

[Byker28i]

Halb said:

Escapegoat said:

This is an interesting point, worth a thread of its own. I'll just point out that you didn't add your favourite country (Russia) to that list. (I'll also accept that the number of refugees looking for asylum in Russia is very small, while noting that Putin himself showed great humanity by personally accepting some poor persecuted soul called Gerard Depardieu.)

I think when it comes to form, UK/USA are worse at starting wars in recent times. I looked at Russia, and it seems to be mostly border skirmishes.

Annexing of Crimea and East Ukraine just a border skirmish? That's an insult to the dead of MH17

It moved it's border into Georgia by a few hundred meters as well without any fight.

[essayer]

Bannon subpoenaed by Mueller to testify before a grand jury (or negotiate about not doing so)