45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[Not-The-Messiah]

Efbe said:

Halmyre said:

Breadvan72 said:

A smack down from a great American -

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/23/lelandmelvin.htm...

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

Not at all, it may seem as a daft tactic to us, but in the US it makes sense.

Just as here in the UK we look at premiership footballers as being overpaid pathetic babies, the same goes in the US.
His core supporters and most of working America will not view this as brave NFL players standing up to a tyrant, they will view it as insanely rich spoiled brats trying to get their own way again.

Whatever the players say/do, they will not come across well. All Trump has to do now is throw in the "overpaid" sportsmen card.

Don't bother, most on here are so far gone stuck in echo chamber bubbles they are totally incapable of seeing things from any other prospective.

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists. This will go down well with his supporters and as usual send the media into a spin. Reinforcing the idea that the media and celebs are totally out of touch and not worth listening to.

[Eric Mc]

Efbe said:

Eric Mc said:

Are NFL players REALLY unpopular now in the US?

Nope, not across the country. But tell the poor white folk a rich black dude is dishonouring the flag and it's only going to go one way.

They aren't dishonouring the flag, are they? They are dishonouring the President - which is not the same thing - especially THIS President. Trump of course, is too dumb or to narcissistic to recognise that.

He is a total apology for a human being. Nothing good will come of his presidency - unless it ends soon.

[rscott]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Efbe said:

Halmyre said:

Breadvan72 said:

A smack down from a great American -

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/23/lelandmelvin.htm...

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

Not at all, it may seem as a daft tactic to us, but in the US it makes sense.

Just as here in the UK we look at premiership footballers as being overpaid pathetic babies, the same goes in the US.
His core supporters and most of working America will not view this as brave NFL players standing up to a tyrant, they will view it as insanely rich spoiled brats trying to get their own way again.

Whatever the players say/do, they will not come across well. All Trump has to do now is throw in the "overpaid" sportsmen card.

Don't bother, most on here are so far gone stuck in echo chamber bubbles they are totally incapable of seeing things from any other prospective.

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists. This will go down well with his supporters and as usual send the media into a spin. Reinforcing the idea that the media and celebs are totally out of touch and not worth listening to.

How recently have you discussed Trump with Americans? I was in Atlanta last week and all those I spoke to about him (of all types, from white rural Georgians, through black Atlantans, Indian immigrants to Florida residents fleeing Irma) were united in the criticism of him. Even those who thought he might do a half decent job were clear that they thought he's simply not up to it.

[greygoose]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Efbe said:

Halmyre said:

Breadvan72 said:

A smack down from a great American -

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/23/lelandmelvin.htm...

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

Not at all, it may seem as a daft tactic to us, but in the US it makes sense.

Just as here in the UK we look at premiership footballers as being overpaid pathetic babies, the same goes in the US.
His core supporters and most of working America will not view this as brave NFL players standing up to a tyrant, they will view it as insanely rich spoiled brats trying to get their own way again.

Whatever the players say/do, they will not come across well. All Trump has to do now is throw in the "overpaid" sportsmen card.

Don't bother, most on here are so far gone stuck in echo chamber bubbles they are totally incapable of seeing things from any other prospective.

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists. This will go down well with his supporters and as usual send the media into a spin. Reinforcing the idea that the media and celebs are totally out of touch and not worth listening to.

Well done in getting virtue signalling in there, not sure that discrimination against black people doesn't exist though but I guess you can see their viewpoint as you are so in touch. Funny how bankers, fund managers etc are never overpaid but sportspeople are.

[Efbe]

Eric Mc said:

Efbe said:

Eric Mc said:

Are NFL players REALLY unpopular now in the US?

Nope, not across the country. But tell the poor white folk a rich black dude is dishonouring the flag and it's only going to go one way.

They aren't dishonouring the flag, are they? They are dishonouring the President - which is not the same thing - especially THIS President. Trump of course, is too dumb or to narcissistic to recognise that.

He is a total apology for a human being. Nothing good will come of his presidency - unless it ends soon.

don't shoot the messenger.

Whilst I agree, it matters little. He is being believed, I think maybe even improving slightly in the polls.
He did well with the hurricanes, now he has a chance to do well against the rich (black) elite. Next he just needs your average US crusade and he'll be online for possibly even getting up to a 50% midterm. The sky's the limit

[Zod]

Halmyre said:

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

He will be making a speech of paean to the NFL before you know it. It will be as if these tweets never happened.

[Zod]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Don't bother, most on here are so far gone stuck in echo chamber bubbles they are totally incapable of seeing things from any other prospective.

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists. This will go down well with his supporters and as usual send the media into a spin. Reinforcing the idea that the media and celebs are totally out of touch and not worth listening to.

echo chamber - check!

virtue-signalling - check!

[Nuclear Skip]

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Efbe said:

Halmyre said:

Breadvan72 said:

A smack down from a great American -

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/23/lelandmelvin.htm...

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

Not at all, it may seem as a daft tactic to us, but in the US it makes sense.

Just as here in the UK we look at premiership footballers as being overpaid pathetic babies, the same goes in the US.
His core supporters and most of working America will not view this as brave NFL players standing up to a tyrant, they will view it as insanely rich spoiled brats trying to get their own way again.

Whatever the players say/do, they will not come across well. All Trump has to do now is throw in the "overpaid" sportsmen card.

Don't bother, most on here are so far gone stuck in echo chamber bubbles they are totally incapable of seeing things from any other prospective.

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists. This will go down well with his supporters and as usual send the media into a spin. Reinforcing the idea that the media and celebs are totally out of touch and not worth listening to.

How recently have you discussed Trump with Americans? I was in Atlanta last week and all those I spoke to about him (of all types, from white rural Georgians, through black Atlantans, Indian immigrants to Florida residents fleeing Irma) were united in the criticism of him. Even those who thought he might do a half decent job were clear that they thought he's simply not up to it.

Same here. Was in Texas for 2 weeks at start of September, most of the Americans I spoke to were in general embarrassed by his actions specifically the way he conducts himself on social media.

[unrepentant]

Eric Mc said:

Are NFL players REALLY unpopular now in the US?

Umm............. No.

The NFL owns Sunday here and players are regarded as heroes and treated accordingly. I live in an NFL city and the whole place is obsessed with the fortunes of the team during the season. Go to the supermarket on Sunday morning and most people are wearing the colors.

[p1stonhead]

Its a personal vendetta for him since he lost the opportunity to purchase a team in 2014

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/how-the-nfl-pav...

[berlintaxi]

Efbe said:

Way to completely miss the point.
It matters not your point of view on premiership footballers, maybe I am biased in having met quite a few back in younger days.

What matters is the US view of the NFL.

So why did you feel the need to put forward your opinion on Premiership footballers then, talk about missing the point.

[rscott]

unrepentant said:

Umm............. No.

The NFL owns Sunday here and players are regarded as heroes and treated accordingly. I live in an NFL city and the whole place is obsessed with the fortunes of the team during the season. Go to the supermarket on Sunday morning and most people are wearing the colors.

Yep. I was amazed to see how much support they have - Atlanta was full of Falcons shirts, flags, car pennants, etc on game days. Although it was also a mass of Atlanta United FC shirts on soccer days too.

[minimoog]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I agree with you loads of over paid virtue signalling sports people protesting something that no longer really exists.

Racism no longer exists in the USA? Well that's a relief I'm sure.

[babatunde]

Halmyre said:

Breadvan72 said:

A smack down from a great American -

https://boingboing.net/2017/09/23/lelandmelvin.htm...

The NFL thing defies comprehension. There's not a facepalm meme in existence that would do it justice.

Not really, to his core supporters, "if you aren't of European descent then you aren't a true American and are only allowed to exist by our grace"

[anonymous-user]

I gather from one of the resident trolls (or actual Trump supporters, it can be hard to distinguish the two) that discrimination against black people in the US has ended. How lovely! That frees the ground for all those straight white males to complain of being oppressed, so the US has become NPE. Yaaaaay!.

[Roofless Toothless]

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." - Samuel Johnson, 1775.

I have to hope the 'last' bit is accurate.

[anonymous-user]

By the by, the learned Doctor may have been referring to Edmund Burke. I confess that I am more of a fan of Burke than I am of Johnson, although I would prefer Boswell to both of them if going out on the lash.

[Roofless Toothless]

Johnson's House in Gough Square off Fleet Street in the City is a nice visit if you are ever in that part of the world. Close to Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese too.

[Escapegoat]

Eric Mc said:

They aren't dishonouring the flag, are they? They are dishonouring the President - which is not the same thing - especially THIS President. Trump of course, is too dumb or to narcissistic to recognise that.

He is a total apology for a human being. Nothing good will come of his presidency - unless it ends soon.

No, the kneeling/not-standing thing pre-dates Trump's regime.

It started with Colin Kaepernick (sp?) in the Obama presidency, as a simple mark of protest against the state's disproportionate killing of black people. And that's what it has always been about. (It's only that Trump spoke against it that it's become anything to do with him.)

[Eric Mc]

That may be so, but it will be seen as an "Anti-Trump" demonstration now.

Black American sportsmen have used major sporting events to make protest before -