45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
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p1stonhead said:
They really won’t.
Something like 70% of Americans watch football. Way more than support trump.
There's a very practical financial reason for the "don't mix work with politics" societal convention - by affiliating your product with a political viewpoint you will inevitably hack off a section of potential customers.Something like 70% of Americans watch football. Way more than support trump.
Given that you're in business to make money, that's really the last thing you want to do. Undefined downside for practically no upside.
hairykrishna said:
What's the point here then? You keep banging on about them not holding a political protest in their workplace, while ignoring the fact that their workplace has already been politicised.
The point is that you don't being YOUR politics into the workplace.However, moronic SJWs seem to believe that EVERYTHING is about their childish brand of identity-based agit-prop so there's no telling them.
GCH said:
So freedom of speech and to protest and dissent - as enshrined in the constitution that trump and his followers reference constantly on multiple matters - but only when we agree with it and give you permission?
Ok...
Do what you like outside of work. Don't expect to have the 'right' to turn your workplace into a platform for your childish virtue signalling.Ok...
Lucas Ayde said:
GCH said:
So freedom of speech and to protest and dissent - as enshrined in the constitution that trump and his followers reference constantly on multiple matters - but only when we agree with it and give you permission?
Ok...
Do what you like outside of work. Don't expect to have the 'right' to turn your workplace into a platform for your childish virtue signallying.Ok...
Breadvan72 said:
These people perform on the public stage. Important public issues are up for debate. Telling them to shut up is not very American.
BTW, FIFA has finally agreed that poppies in footy are not political.
Great, now the media can get on with persecuting anyone who doesn't want to wear a poppy..... BTW, FIFA has finally agreed that poppies in footy are not political.
Lucas Ayde said:
The point is that you don't being YOUR politics into the workplace.
.
Says who?.
It's nobody's concern apart from the Employer and Employee. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with the Lump of Orange Lard. Still it helps to distract his fanboys from looking to closely at his "presidency".
Wonder how that Wall's coming along........
GCH said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Trump has absolutely played a blinder on this topic.
Yeah great - divide this already very divided country even further.The man is a piece of s***
What I will say is firstly, regardless of colour, weaponising and using things like sport, press and film events for some sort of political act is wrong and I personally, I will call it out as such.
I will fully support issues around equality and rights of people other than my own colour and my personal political voting patterns reflect that and my country (England) has come a long way since the days of when I was born on these issues.
I already had an opinion on the problems facing the U.S.A but it was solidified by watching key documentaries such as 'Blackout' (which is currently on netflix) which covered not only the power cut in New York in 1977 but the socio-economic problems that helped trigger the riots by the black people in New York and the white oppression that compounded it.
Trump was actually featured in this documentary but it predates his election as president. And yes, I think some of the things that Trump and other white people did in this documentary were sickening and embarrassing to my race (the jailing of the but I don't want to get bogged down in that as it misses the wider problem I want to raise. What I will say though is that Trumps relationship with the black community goes back to 1977 and the jailing of the Central Park Five and so there is unfinished business here.
No, my issues with the NFL protests and the like, is generally - ok understand the problems but 'what do you want done about it by the president trump?' and 'why are'nt you presenting your solution(s)'.
On this basis we are facing the same questions I had when 'black lives matter' launched their own protests. I understand the frustration but what are the solutions?
The main problem affecting the black communities in modern day America is poverty and the main driver of that poverty has been globalisation, the documentary of new york in 1977 presents this as clear as day. This is what created the ghettos in New York and Chicago, the black communities did not move there from the deep south just for the bright lights, it was for the textile and factory jobs.
Look at the black-on-black murder rate in Chicago for 2016, its incredible.
The solution therefore is, with deep irony, something that Trump/Bannon campaigned on and nobody else did - the return of Textile and Factory industries back the USA. This is what won them votes in Detroit, this is what won them the election.
The republican party, clinton, obama - nobody else is interested in doing this - just trump.
The millionaire NFL players are not pointing this out as it does not fit the narrative, when they are in-fact, selling the poor people in places like New York and Chicago a mis-truth.
My opinion is that the only way to fix this cycle of violence and thus the continued militarisation of the police is to fix poverty, the only way to fix poverty in the large cities is a partial reversal of globalisation for some types of products. Those Nike trainers and other equipment that are no longer made in U.S.A and are made in Thailand, China and Vietnam in sweat-shops and promoted by these black millionaire NFL players are exactly the things that are causing the problems in their home neighbourhoods.
As a side note. I find it so incredulous and backward that nobody is talking about this apart from Trump that it beggars belief. I sometimes wonder when I put my tin hat on that if in-fact, the executives and shareholders of these huge companies, who have the most to lose and sponsor these players have a small hand in what is going on.
Lucas Ayde said:
Great, now the media can get on with persecuting anyone who doesn't want to wear a poppy.....
Good point. Poppies should be banned from the Workplace!! They're just childish virtue signalling. People shouldn't use their jobs to promote their political' points of view!!
Countdown said:
Good point. Poppies should be banned from the Workplace!! They're just childish virtue signalling. People shouldn't use their jobs to promote their political' points of view!!
It's quite the opposite though, isn't it? More and more, people are pressured into wearing them or facing a media backlash.Countdown said:
Says who?
It's nobody's concern apart from the Employer and Employee. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with the Lump of Orange Lard. Still it helps to distract his fanboys from looking to closely at his "presidency".
Im not a Trump supporter - I just happen to agree with him that making silly political statements at work is out of order.It's nobody's concern apart from the Employer and Employee. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with the Lump of Orange Lard. Still it helps to distract his fanboys from looking to closely at his "presidency".
Countdown said:
Wonder how that Wall's coming along........
Again - not a Trump supporter. IDGAF.Carl_Manchester said:
As a side note. I find it so incredulous and backward that nobody is talking about this apart from Trump that it beggars belief. I sometimes wonder when I put my tin hat on that if in-fact, the executives and shareholders of these huge companies, who have the most to lose and sponsor these players have a small hand in what is going on.
No, they've just made the mistake of bowing to the most vocal voices on social media and thinking that there's some benefit in tolerating blatant political gesturing by certain members of their workforce because it's politically correct and gets lots of likes on Facebook or retweets.There will be no financial upside for them as a result of this stupid mistake, but certainly a downside (if as yet, undefined).
Lucas Ayde said:
Countdown said:
Good point. Poppies should be banned from the Workplace!! They're just childish virtue signalling. People shouldn't use their jobs to promote their political' points of view!!
It's quite the opposite though, isn't it? More and more, people are pressured into wearing them or facing a media backlash.Lucas Ayde said:
Their employers will ultimately pay the financial price for allowing this stupidity to go on. That's why you don't get your business affiliated with politics.
Tell you what, you, LA of PH fame, should write a letter explaining to those silly club owners what's good for their business. What do they know about business after all?Countdown said:
That wasn't the point being made. By your logic poppies should be banned because they're a political symbol and that shouldn't be allowed in the workplace. Sop - would you advocate banning poppies? Or are they OK?
I'd personally support Edited by Lucas Ayde on Monday 25th September 18:46
Carl_Manchester said:
GCH said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Trump has absolutely played a blinder on this topic.
Yeah great - divide this already very divided country even further.The man is a piece of s***
What I will say is firstly, regardless of colour, weaponising and using things like sport, press and film events for some sort of political act is wrong and I personally, I will call it out as such.
I will fully support issues around equality and rights of people other than my own colour and my personal political voting patterns reflect that and my country (England) has come a long way since the days of when I was born on these issues.
I already had an opinion on the problems facing the U.S.A but it was solidified by watching key documentaries such as 'Blackout' (which is currently on netflix) which covered not only the power cut in New York in 1977 but the socio-economic problems that helped trigger the riots by the black people in New York and the white oppression that compounded it.
Trump was actually featured in this documentary but it predates his election as president. And yes, I think some of the things that Trump and other white people did in this documentary were sickening and embarrassing to my race (the jailing of the but I don't want to get bogged down in that as it misses the wider problem I want to raise. What I will say though is that Trumps relationship with the black community goes back to 1977 and the jailing of the Central Park Five and so there is unfinished business here.
No, my issues with the NFL protests and the like, is generally - ok understand the problems but 'what do you want done about it by the president trump?' and 'why are'nt you presenting your solution(s)'.
On this basis we are facing the same questions I had when 'black lives matter' launched their own protests. I understand the frustration but what are the solutions?
The main problem affecting the black communities in modern day America is poverty and the main driver of that poverty has been globalisation, the documentary of new york in 1977 presents this as clear as day. This is what created the ghettos in New York and Chicago, the black communities did not move there from the deep south just for the bright lights, it was for the textile and factory jobs.
Look at the black-on-black murder rate in Chicago for 2016, its incredible.
The solution therefore is, with deep irony, something that Trump/Bannon campaigned on and nobody else did - the return of Textile and Factory industries back the USA. This is what won them votes in Detroit, this is what won them the election.
The republican party, clinton, obama - nobody else is interested in doing this - just trump.
The millionaire NFL players are not pointing this out as it does not fit the narrative, when they are in-fact, selling the poor people in places like New York and Chicago a mis-truth.
My opinion is that the only way to fix this cycle of violence and thus the continued militarisation of the police is to fix poverty, the only way to fix poverty in the large cities is a partial reversal of globalisation for some types of products. Those Nike trainers and other equipment that are no longer made in U.S.A and are made in Thailand, China and Vietnam in sweat-shops and promoted by these black millionaire NFL players are exactly the things that are causing the problems in their home neighbourhoods.
As a side note. I find it so incredulous and backward that nobody is talking about this apart from Trump that it beggars belief. I sometimes wonder when I put my tin hat on that if in-fact, the executives and shareholders of these huge companies, who have the most to lose and sponsor these players have a small hand in what is going on.
jjlynn27 said:
Tell you what, you, LA of PH fame, should write a letter explaining to those silly club owners what's good for their business. What do they know about business after all?
Let's see how this plays out for them. I'm guessing that it will remind employers of why getting their businesses tied up with a 'cause' is seldom a smart idea.Lucas Ayde said:
Countdown said:
Says who?
It's nobody's concern apart from the Employer and Employee. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with the Lump of Orange Lard. Still it helps to distract his fanboys from looking to closely at his "presidency".
Im not a Trump supporter - I just happen to agree with him that making silly political statements at work is out of order.It's nobody's concern apart from the Employer and Employee. It's got sweet foxtrot alpha to do with the Lump of Orange Lard. Still it helps to distract his fanboys from looking to closely at his "presidency".
Lucas Ayde said:
Countdown said:
Wonder how that Wall's coming along........
Again - not a Trump supporter. IDGAF.Countdown said:
That wasn't the point being made. By your logic poppies should be banned because they're a political symbol and that shouldn't be allowed in the workplace. Sop - would you advocate banning poppies? Or are they OK?
are you always so annoying in these threads?you generalise, claim anyone who questions even one thing is a massive trump fan and onl ever respond to the part of a post you think you can "win" to, never the question or point raised to you.
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