45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
Discussion
southendpier said:
jmorgan said:
Was there booing before the President mentioned it?
I don't know. Was their kneeling at that stadium before the President mentioned it?
southendpier said:
rscott said:
Even a team owner (who donated over $1 million to the Trump campaign) has criticised Trump for his comments about the NFL - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-robert...
The owner would, the brand of NFL is damaged by this whatever side of the fence you are on. Brand damage will risk losing money."There is no greater unifier in this country than sports, and unfortunately, nothing more divisive than politics.," Kraft said. "I think our political leaders could learn a lot from the lessons of teamwork and the importance of working together toward a common goal. Our players are intelligent, thoughtful, and care deeply about our community and I support their right to peacefully affect social change and raise awareness in a manner that they feel is most impactful."
For those that may need a bit of background. This starts from a player Colin Kaepernick who has been refusing to stand for the anthem since August because of Black Lives Matter issues.
his statement from I think August 2016 season:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...
I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.
his statement from I think August 2016 season:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...
I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.
Edited by southendpier on Tuesday 26th September 09:59
southendpier said:
Patriots crowd audibly booed the kneeling players.
Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales
When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.
You are darn right. Something is very, very wrong in America right now. And I'll give you two guesses what that might be.Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales
When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.
southendpier said:
For those that may need a bit of background. This starts from a player Colin Kaepernick who has been refusing to stand for the anthem since August because of Black Lives Matter issues.
his statement from I think August 2016 season:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...
I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.
Reading up on it some more. 2016 was the first sit down? Seems to have polarised the issue to some extent and drawn criticism and applause.his statement from I think August 2016 season:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...
I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.
Edited by southendpier on Tuesday 26th September 09:59
XM5ER said:
Yes but Trump has weaponised it and drawn out the leftists so that he can strengthen his base.
Another observation - this isn't about strengthening his base, although to a small extent that may happen. This is about distraction, confusion, and sowing division and chaos. It's what he knows and loves. He's got no ability to govern, or interest in governing. He's just keeping the ball in the air while the cash rolls in.Eric Mc said:
southendpier said:
Patriots crowd audibly booed the kneeling players.
Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales
When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.
You are darn right. Something is very, very wrong in America right now. And I'll give you two guesses what that might be.Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales
When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.
The far Right
and
The far Left
I imagine the vast majority of NFL would prefer to watch a game with a beer and not have players kneeling or raising fists and the also that the President keeps his trap shut and gets on with more important issues.
However, this can get confused with time - this all stated under Obama's watch.
America has become more polarised over recent years. Trump is as much a symptom as a cause - but he is certainly not helping. Instead of trying to bring the nation together - as a good President should - he seems to be revelling in ensuring it tears itself apart.
He is a destructive, corrosive, mean minded, nasty piece of work.
I don't care whether Obama played a part in creating these problems. What needs to happen now is for the nation to be brought together - not pushed further down the road to divisiveness.
He is a destructive, corrosive, mean minded, nasty piece of work.
I don't care whether Obama played a part in creating these problems. What needs to happen now is for the nation to be brought together - not pushed further down the road to divisiveness.
roachcoach said:
It's remarkable that you're all still falling hook, line and sinker every single time he jangles his keys.
He lives on manufacturing outrage to deflect from core failings and people never, ever seem to learn.
Was just thinking this. He is a man who has no position, who believes in nothing whose only purpose & desire is to sow discord & fear. The first chief executive in American history to systematically & wilfully divide his own people every day & to do that to keep them anxious & on guard, to remove even the safe harbour of truth (FAKE NEWS!) What he truly understands is that America is a chaos machine, you feed it & it spits out attention, headlines & as often as not, money & we keep falling for his schtick, He is a malignant narcissist. He lives on manufacturing outrage to deflect from core failings and people never, ever seem to learn.
If you're a Trump supporter, by all means laugh at me if thinking you're on the right side of the equation is a comfort to you but you'll be caught up in the same mess as the rest of us, there will be no escape from the consequences of electing a grifter who didn't want the job in the first place.
minimoog said:
XM5ER said:
Yes but Trump has weaponised it and drawn out the leftists so that he can strengthen his base.
Another observation - this isn't about strengthening his base, although to a small extent that may happen. This is about distraction, confusion, and sowing division and chaos. It's what he knows and loves. He's got no ability to govern, or interest in governing. He's just keeping the ball in the air while the cash rolls in.
t. Surely that can't be that hard.The NFL and sport in general have fallen or now is falling for all the SJW rubbish just as the rest of society in general. It's something they will regret as will society.
Trump is a reaction and a consequence of it, the problem is it's not showing any signs of stopping or even slowing down. If anything the SJW's are doubling down with the help of the mainstream Media. We are now stuck in a spiral of stupidity.
Trump is a reaction and a consequence of it, the problem is it's not showing any signs of stopping or even slowing down. If anything the SJW's are doubling down with the help of the mainstream Media. We are now stuck in a spiral of stupidity.
Not-The-Messiah said:
The NFL and sport in general have fallen or now is falling for all the SJW rubbish just as the rest of society in general. It's something they will regret as will society.
Trump is a reaction and a consequence of it, the problem is it's not showing any signs of stopping or even slowing down. If anything the SJW's are doubling down with the help of the mainstream Media. We are now stuck in a spiral of stupidity.
You forgot to use snowflakes and safe space, 4/10 try harder.Trump is a reaction and a consequence of it, the problem is it's not showing any signs of stopping or even slowing down. If anything the SJW's are doubling down with the help of the mainstream Media. We are now stuck in a spiral of stupidity.
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