45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[KrissKross]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Practically everything in that post is assumption. What is an optimal number of senior government officials for a country of 300 million people? How much of the media coverage is lies? How do you determine what is lies & what isn't to make a judgement? What can Trump be said to have done that has had a quantifiable effect on employment after six months in office?

Clearly you have some insider knowledge and are far more knowledgeable than me on this subject. Do you work in the US government system?

I am not supporting Trump but blaming a single person for the catastrophic failure in the US democratic process seems really odd to me. Why did people vote for him in the first place, is anyone addressing the reasons rather than attacking the result?

Problems are always easy to point out, solutions are not.

[KrissKross]

Eric Mc said:

As far as job creation is concerned, there is nothing Trump has done in such a short 7 month period that can be accredited to any movement (either up or down) in the job statistics

Whilst I completely agree with you, if anyone else was in power the media would be relating any positive news directly to their new leader.

[Eric Mc]

The system may be imperfect (all government systems are far from perfect). But the obvious lesson from the Trump Presidency is that Donald Trump is FAR from being the solution. In fact, his is a destructive and nihilistic regime which has appealed to many of a similar bent. Bannon prides himself on being an anarchist when it comes to destroying government.

Well, he's gone now and MAYBE some sort of check can be put on Trump's worst self destructive tendencies - but I very much doubt it.

[Eric Mc]

KrissKross said:

Whilst I completely agree with you, if anyone else was in power the media would be relating any positive news directly to their new leader.

You are joking - right?

You REALLY think that the media has it in for Trump alone but would only praise some other President?

I haven't really noticed the media being wholly reverential to that many previous Presidents, I have to say - and I've lived through 12 of them.

[Eddie Strohacker]

KrissKross said:

Clearly you have some insider knowledge and are far more knowledgeable than me on this subject. Do you work in the US government system?

I am not supporting Trump but blaming a single person for the catastrophic failure in the US democratic process seems really odd to me. Why did people vote for him in the first place, is anyone addressing the reasons rather than attacking the result?

Problems are always easy to point out, solutions are not.

Why yes, I'm next week's press secretary. The reasons for Trump's support have been gone over time & time again over three volumes of this thread. It's literally a click away to bone up on of you're inclined to do so.

[minimoog]

Halmyre said:

Trump looks like he's found a fiver and lost a tenner. What a face.

He thinks that's his 'Churchill' face.

[GetCarter]

[Gandahar]

KrissKross said:

Clearly you have some insider knowledge and are far more knowledgeable than me on this subject. Do you work in the US government system?

I am not supporting Trump but blaming a single person for the catastrophic failure in the US democratic process seems really odd to me. Why did people vote for him in the first place, is anyone addressing the reasons rather than attacking the result?

Problems are always easy to point out, solutions are not.

Snake oil salesman? Or goldmine purveyor?

The US is the land of dreams, which actually means getting rich quick. Slightly faded after 300 years it still has it's luster, which is why a businessman that can grab things by the pussy has been given a chance.

Drain the swamp, turn 21st C US into a mean fighting machine money wise, get me richer.

Coz I didn't feel very rich after 8 years of the last lot....

[Gandahar]

Eddie Strohacker said:

KrissKross said:

I haven't really followed this thread much, surely sacking and reducing the size of any government can only be a good thing. No matter which side we are talking about. Wasn't one one the main reasons Trump ended up in power because the people have become numb to the traditional political mantra and self serving puppets trying to please everyone.

Wont normal people be mostly interested in jobs and their personal circumstances, not media guff and lies. The unemployment rate has been dropping recently, isn't that good news?

Practically everything in that post is assumption. What is an optimal number of senior government officials for a country of 300 million people? How much of the media coverage is lies? How do you determine what is lies & what isn't to make a judgement? What can Trump be said to have done that has had a quantifiable effect on employment after six months in office?

It's certainly not an assumption that

"Wasn't one one the main reasons Trump ended up in power because the people have become numb to the traditional political mantra"

Or do you differ on the matter?

[Gandahar]

Eric Mc said:

The system may be imperfect (all government systems are far from perfect). But the obvious lesson from the Trump Presidency is that Donald Trump is FAR from being the solution. In fact, his is a destructive and nihilistic regime which has appealed to many of a similar bent. Bannon prides himself on being an anarchist when it comes to destroying government.

Well, he's gone now and MAYBE some sort of check can be put on Trump's worst self destructive tendencies - but I very much doubt it.

Eric Mc, you are completely wrong I fear.

Bannon was the check of things that matter, and I don't mean local domestic matters, I mean the world and the worlds most powerful army.

When you constantly get rid of staff you end up with just YES men left. Or the military, who are yes men too, but it might be Donald, a complete duck out of water politics wise saying yes to them.

He always admires people who have done better than him, previously Wall Street, hence the Goldman Sachs influence. But they are now being swept out for the top brass. He admires the military too. They now have the sway. Will it egg him on or will they restrain him?

For the rest of the world, rather than domestic US politics, this is a worrying trend.

[minimoog]

I'm of the view that Bannon has left to do his and Trump's work outside of the restraining influence of Kelly et al. He, and Trump, are not done yet by a long chalk.

[Eric Mc]

I think we both agree that Trump is unhinged.

Where we differ is in what direction the unhinged nature of his character will take him.

[jmorgan]

minimoog said:

I'm of the view that Bannon has left to do his and Trump's work outside of the restraining influence of Kelly et al. He, and Trump, are not done yet by a long chalk.

Plausible deniability or whatever the term is, tis what I thought. The B man can kick off and rant away and get a following. Don't think this is over by a long chalk. Two terms?

[andy_s]

Gandahar said:

Eric Mc said:

The system may be imperfect ...

... But they are now being swept out for the top brass. He admires the military too. They now have the sway. Will it egg him on or will they restrain him?

In the common or garden disaster movie it's always the POTUS who reigns in the hot-headed hawkish General.

In real life it may well be the military that reign in the President; particularly this one. The US has been in pretty much constant combat for twenty years and I imagine there are many realists in the upper strata who know fine well the consequences of committing to serious protracted conflict in a zero sum game.

One would hope anyway.


On another note, I can't see him lasting much longer anyway, I think he's on 'delusional ego' time, there's only so long the system can endure this high a tempo of incompetence.

[Eric Mc]

So, the bottom line is, which will crack first, Trump or "The System".

I'm going with Trump breaking first.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Gandahar said:

It's certainly not an assumption that

"Wasn't one one the main reasons Trump ended up in power because the people have become numb to the traditional political mantra"

Or do you differ on the matter?

Are the parts I picked out of KK's post not clear? I though it obvious saying practically all, then leaving one point out was clearly comprehensible or is it simply the five dollar argument Sir would like?

[FN2TypeR]

Eric Mc said:

I think we both agree that Trump is unhinged.

Where we differ is in what direction the unhinged nature of his character will take him.

Four more years?

[Eric Mc]

I genuinely doubt that. I really do.

He is such a destructive character. He thrives on destroying what and who is around him and if necessary, he will destroy himself.

It's the Samson in the Temple syndrome.

[Byker28i]

Of course with bannon going, it could be said that Donald is draining the swamp

[Eric Mc]

Well, he's certainly got rid of one reptile.