45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[schmunk]

Breadvan72 said:

Eric Mc said:

I think this well known segment from the Congressional Investigation into Joseph McCarthy is very telling. I am hopeful that some day, someone will address Trump in a similar manner.

The pertinent moment is from 1:10 into the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDa2s5MZuO8

"Mr Cohn" is Roy Cohn, Trump's mentor, and the sinister Mr Fix It of 70s New York. Another bag carrier for McCarthy was Richard Nixon.

Roy Cohn, you say...?

[Roofless Toothless]

Breadvan72 said:

As a history graduate I am biased, but whenever there is discussion about which academic subjects are important (the standard NPE approach sees history as a "soft" subject and not important), I would like to make the case that history is one of the most important subjects there is. I think that the study of history should be compulsory to school leaving age.

Absolutely, lest we are condemned to repeat it "the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

I don't get to quote Marx very often.

[Shakermaker]

Breadvan72 said:

As a history graduate I am biased, but whenever there is discussion about which academic subjects are important (the standard NPE approach sees history as a "soft" subject and not important), I would like to make the case that history is one of the most important subjects there is. I think that the study of history should be compulsory to school leaving age.

It is a subject that I regret dropping before GCSE, but thanks to the unique structure of the school, it wasn't possible for me to take History at the same time as IT.

But of course, which bits of History should we study? French Revolution? Crimean War? Feudal System?

(off topic, but at a comedy show last week, one of the comedians made excellent use of his History degree as part of his act)

[Zod]

Shakermaker said:

Breadvan72 said:

As a history graduate I am biased, but whenever there is discussion about which academic subjects are important (the standard NPE approach sees history as a "soft" subject and not important), I would like to make the case that history is one of the most important subjects there is. I think that the study of history should be compulsory to school leaving age.

It is a subject that I regret dropping before GCSE, but thanks to the unique structure of the school, it wasn't possible for me to take History at the same time as IT.

But of course, which bits of History should we study? French Revolution? Crimean War? Feudal System?

(off topic, but at a comedy show last week, one of the comedians made excellent use of his History degree as part of his act)

I had similar restrictions at school (they made the fast stream do O Levels a year early, but also had us drop some "non-core" subjects. A pity, because if I'd done history through to A Level, I could have done the "doss degree" at university. I seem to remember that they only had final year exams.

[Eric Mc]

All bits of history have something to tell us about the human condition - whether it is Ancient Greece or the Vietnam War. Read it all.

[durbster]

Breadvan72 said:

As a history graduate I am biased, but whenever there is discussion about which academic subjects are important (the standard NPE approach sees history as a "soft" subject and not important), I would like to make the case that history is one of the most important subjects there is. I think that the study of history should be compulsory to school leaving age.

Absolutely agree. Because everything's happened before, I started following a bunch of historians on Twitter after Trump got into power to see where we might be heading. None of them had good news.

[Roofless Toothless]

Roofless Toothless said:

Breadvan72 said:

As a history graduate I am biased, but whenever there is discussion about which academic subjects are important (the standard NPE approach sees history as a "soft" subject and not important), I would like to make the case that history is one of the most important subjects there is. I think that the study of history should be compulsory to school leaving age.

Absolutely, lest we are condemned to repeat it "the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."

I don't get to quote Marx very often.

Actually, come to think of it, are we in the tragedy or farce stage at present?

[Byker28i]

jmorgan said:

Gorka was on R4 this am spinning a good tale. Really laying into Flake and Corker. I expect that Bannon will be fielding some really right wing candidates in their seats.

Yeah I heard Gorka, quite happily ignoring the lack of trump truths and promoting the fake news agenda and media bias.
Side note though is the success? in Flake not running again as he's fed up. Get rid of the anti trump and try to promote in their place donald lackies, which is what Bannon alluded to.

[Byker28i]

sugerbear said:

This mornings twitter - "So nice being with Republican Senators today. Multiple standing ovations! Most are great people who want big Tax Cuts and success for U.S."

"Multiple standing ovations!" - everyone loves me... Honest...

Flake got standing ovations from some for his criticism of Trump. Did Trumps tweet follow that?

[Eric Mc]

Roofless Toothless said:

Actually, come to think of it, are we in the tragedy or farce stage at present?

Currently at farce level but with the very real possibility of absolute and awful tragedy lurking in the wings.

[anonymous-user]

Eric, yes, study all of history and "only connect", as E M Forster said. There are various quite good single volume histories of everything.

Zod, you cheeky fecker, I had to do history prelims after eight weeks in order to make it to the second term, but then got to go punting and chase Sloanes for two summers, with crash bang wallop ten papers in five days in the third summer. One essay a week, no lectures.

[jmorgan]

Do we have a DEFFARCE scale?

[Zod]

Breadvan72 said:

Zod, you cheeky fecker, I had to do history prelims after eight weeks in order to make it to the second term, but then got to go punting and chase Sloanes for two summers, with crash bang wallop ten papers in five days in the third summer. One essay a week, no lectures.

Wasn't that at the other place? At mine, there are only Easter Term exams and I'm pretty sure the historians didn't see an examination room in the first two years. Odd that it qualified as a Tripos.

[Shakermaker]

Zod said:

I had similar restrictions at school (they made the fast stream do O Levels a year early, but also had us drop some "non-core" subjects. A pity, because if I'd done history through to A Level, I could have done the "doss degree" at university. I seem to remember that they only had final year exams.

We had to do History and/or Geography, so I did manage to get an A at GCSE in colouring in maps and learning about Oxbow lakes, which I was able to take on to A Level as well!

[FourWheelDrift]

Have I missed it or has it not been mentioned about the JFK files. All the CIA and FBI secret files that Trump is saying he's going to release.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/21/politics/trump-j...

I wonder if it will spectacularly backfire on him?

[jmorgan]

Roger Stone at the back of all this? Wibbler in chief I think.

[anonymous-user]

FourWheelDrift said:

Have I missed it or has it not been mentioned about the JFK files. All the CIA and FBI secret files that Trump is saying he's going to release.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/21/politics/trump-j...

I wonder if it will spectacularly backfire on him?

Trump is not releasing the files, Congress decided to release them ages ago. Trump is claiming credit as usual.

[matchmaker]

Shakermaker said:

Zod said:

I had similar restrictions at school (they made the fast stream do O Levels a year early, but also had us drop some "non-core" subjects. A pity, because if I'd done history through to A Level, I could have done the "doss degree" at university. I seem to remember that they only had final year exams.

We had to do History and/or Geography, so I did manage to get an A at GCSE in colouring in maps and learning about Oxbow lakes, which I was able to take on to A Level as well!

We had the choice - history or geography. I chose geography and managed to get a Higher in it. In later years I rediscovered the history of my country (Scotland), firstly through the historical novels of Nigel Tranter, and then by the excellent BBC tv series and book by Dr Neil Oliver.

[roachcoach]

Byker28i said:

jmorgan said:

Getting interesting with regards the "dossier". Dems and Clinton and an unnamed Reb behind it.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/24/trump-cli...

Gorka was on R4 this am spinning a good tale. Really laying into Flake and Corker. I expect that Bannon will be fielding some really right wing candidates in their seats.

I thought the dossier commissioning and funding was well known and documented. It was initially commissioned by Republicans who were against Trump, then after Trump won the primaries, Mark Elias took over funding the report for the Clinton Campaign so that Steele could finish the research/report.

There's no cover up on that - it's been hugely reported at the time the dossier came out.
Whats interesting is that every claim on the report, bar the tape, has been proven to be true so far...

So why now try to again devalue the report? Is something about to break on the russian connections again? What's the issue with the Clinton campaign or Republicans against Trump getting intel on their opponent?

I mean it's not like they asked foreign national nationals to hack the opposition, organised meetings to discuss dirt obtained, organised the release of potentially damaging information, took funding for their election campaign from foreign nations/nationals...

The russian bots are spamming this literally everywhere and anywhere they can right now. It is (morbidly) fascinating to watch.

Meanwhile, he has still not enacted the veto-proof sanctions congress pass by a super majority and then some.

There are a lot of jangling keys again these days.

[anonymous-user]

Zod said:

Breadvan72 said:

Zod, you cheeky fecker, I had to do history prelims after eight weeks in order to make it to the second term, but then got to go punting and chase Sloanes for two summers, with crash bang wallop ten papers in five days in the third summer. One essay a week, no lectures.

Wasn't that at the other place? At mine, there are only Easter Term exams and I'm pretty sure the historians didn't see an examination room in the first two years. Odd that it qualified as a Tripos.

Prelims at the end of Michaelmas Term in the first year, then Schools (finals) in Trinity Term of year three. Now prelims have been binned and they do Honour Moderations (Mods) at the end of year one. Prelims were pass/fail. Historiography, source criticism, and languages. Gibbon, Macaulay, and two language based papers (I did French - de Tocqueville, and Latin - Bede).

I had to go to my place because I was too thick to understand the explanation of the Tripos system in your place's Prospectus.