45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[minimoog]

Not-The-Messiah said:

OK you have convinced me Trump is a total inept failure in every way. An inept failure that somehow managed to become the president of the most powerful nation on earth with all the odds against him. A media that was massively biased against him, almost the entire political establishment against him, with a far smaller publicity budget but this total inept failure still won, strange.

Not that strange. He had a lot of help. You may have heard about it.

[Not-The-Messiah]

RobDickinson said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

OK you have convinced me Trump is a total inept failure in every way. An inept failure that somehow managed to become the president of the most powerful nation on earth with all the odds against him. A media that was massively biased against him, almost the entire political establishment against him, with a far smaller publicity budget but this total inept failure still won, strange.

A trained chimp would probably have done just as well.

Throw enough money and lies at an election in America and you get a result, note more people actually voted for the loosing candidate...

Note the loosing candidate spent nearly twice as much.

So your statement about throwing enough money and lies is obviously incorrect. Hillary spent far more had almost the entire media behind her and also made promise she couldn't have achieve just like every politician does, all be it not at the same level as Trump did.

[Byker28i]

Not-The-Messiah said:

RobDickinson said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

OK you have convinced me Trump is a total inept failure in every way. An inept failure that somehow managed to become the president of the most powerful nation on earth with all the odds against him. A media that was massively biased against him, almost the entire political establishment against him, with a far smaller publicity budget but this total inept failure still won, strange.

A trained chimp would probably have done just as well.

Throw enough money and lies at an election in America and you get a result, note more people actually voted for the loosing candidate...

Note the loosing candidate spent nearly twice as much.

So your statement about throwing enough money and lies is obviously incorrect. Hillary spent far more had almost the entire media behind her and also made promise she couldn't have achieve just like every politician does, all be it not at the same level as Trump did.

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

[Countdown]

Is he still charging the Secret Service for rent?

[Byker28i]

Countdown said:

Is he still charging the Secret Service for rent?

No they moved out into a trailer on the pavement in August after disagreeing about the terms of the lease, and the cost increase. But then they did spend the entire years budget by august and had to get additional funding.

The budgets been taking a hammering, $100,000 for Eric Trump’s trip in January to Uruguay to promote the Punta del Esta Trump property, similar amount for Kushner and Ivankas skiing holiday, $20m for trumps jollies every weekend to Mar-A Largo in the first 4 months.

The donald charged the secret service $60,000 for the use of golf karts at Mar-a-lago. Just more examples of how he cleverly funnels money into his pocket.

Just bear in mind that Obama spent $100m in 8 years on his security...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:51

[Halb]

Byker28i said:

No they moved out into a trailer on the pavement in August after disagreeing about the terms of the lease, and the cost increase. But then they did spend the entire years budget by august and had to get additional funding.

The budgets been taking a hammering, $100,000 for Eric Trump’s trip in January to Uruguay to promote the Punta del Esta Trump property, similar amount for Kushner and Ivankas skiing holiday, $20m for trumps jollies every weekend to Mar-A Largo in the first 4 months.

The donald charged the secret service $60,000 for the use of golf karts at Mar-a-lago. Just more examples of how he cleverly funnels money into his pocket.

Just bear in mind that Obama spent $100m in 8 years on his security...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:51

This real? Not a joke?

[Not-The-Messiah]

Byker28i said:

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

I could just as easily put a few links up about how Hillary controlled and misused her campaign money. Both sides are crook's in away it's just how people only seem to focus on Trump and ignore the failings of the people they support annoys me.

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

It's quite simple psychology really if I had two people and I could control what people hear about these two people. And all I did is only tell people about the failures of one and the success of the other. Even though they both equally succeeded and failed. If asked people what do you think of each person it's quite obvious what the outcome would be.

[Bill]

Halb said:

This real? Not a joke?

Drain the swamp!

[paulguitar]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Byker28i said:

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

I could just as easily put a few links up about how Hillary controlled and misused her campaign money. Both sides are crook's in away it's just how people only seem to focus on Trump and ignore the failings of the people they support annoys me.

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

It's quite simple psychology really if I had two people and I could control what people hear about these two people. And all I did is only tell people about the failures of one and the success of the other. Even though they both equally succeeded and failed. If asked people what do you think of each person it's quite obvious what the outcome would be.

I have said this before, but Trump does not need the 'biased media' to come across very badly. He does that by himself by the things he does and the things he says. It is really not complicated.

[smn159]

Not-The-Messiah said:

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

Yeah, that's clearly the only reason that people think that Trump is a knob.

You've swallowed the Trump narrative whole, haven't you?

[Bill]

paulguitar said:

It is really not complicated.

Apparently it is for some.

[Not-The-Messiah]

paulguitar said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Byker28i said:

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

I could just as easily put a few links up about how Hillary controlled and misused her campaign money. Both sides are crook's in away it's just how people only seem to focus on Trump and ignore the failings of the people they support annoys me.

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

It's quite simple psychology really if I had two people and I could control what people hear about these two people. And all I did is only tell people about the failures of one and the success of the other. Even though they both equally succeeded and failed. If asked people what do you think of each person it's quite obvious what the outcome would be.

I have said this before, but Trump does not need the 'biased media' to come across very badly. He does that by himself by the things he does and the things he says. It is really not complicated.

How many people especially in this country would actually read or see these things if it wasn't plastered all over the media in a negative light?

But I will admit he his a idiot at times with the stuff he comes out with. But lots of his stuff is viewed and interpreted in ways I find unfair and just dishonest and disingenuous. The daft CNN meme was a grate example of this yes unpresidential but really just a bit of fun, the reaction was totally over the top and anyone with any rational thought could see this.

[anonymous-user]

Damn you media spin. Tricking me into believing Trump is a moron

[Tony33]

paulguitar said:

I have said this before, but Trump does not need the 'biased media' to come across very badly. He does that by himself by the things he does and the things he says. It is really not complicated.

Absolutely. My opinion comes from Trump's own words and actions. Not taken out of context by media reports, his complete statements. Quite frankly they seem to get more deranged by the day.

[Byker28i]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Byker28i said:

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

I could just as easily put a few links up about how Hillary controlled and misused her campaign money. Both sides are crook's in away it's just how people only seem to focus on Trump and ignore the failings of the people they support annoys me.

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

It's quite simple psychology really if I had two people and I could control what people hear about these two people. And all I did is only tell people about the failures of one and the success of the other. Even though they both equally succeeded and failed. If asked people what do you think of each person it's quite obvious what the outcome would be.

But you're not disputing any of this, from a candidate who ran on a mandate of 'draining the swamp', getting rid of those taking money, exploiting the system. You're fine with the hypocrisy?

We're not discussing Clinton by the way, although it's amazing how you still need to bring this up a year later, just like the donald...

[Byker28i]

Halb said:

Byker28i said:

No they moved out into a trailer on the pavement in August after disagreeing about the terms of the lease, and the cost increase. But then they did spend the entire years budget by august and had to get additional funding.

The budgets been taking a hammering, $100,000 for Eric Trump’s trip in January to Uruguay to promote the Punta del Esta Trump property, similar amount for Kushner and Ivankas skiing holiday, $20m for trumps jollies every weekend to Mar-A Largo in the first 4 months.

The donald charged the secret service $60,000 for the use of golf karts at Mar-a-lago. Just more examples of how he cleverly funnels money into his pocket.

Just bear in mind that Obama spent $100m in 8 years on his security...

This real? Not a joke?

What, where the moneys going, nope money off to his legal team, but also to his businesses.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/17...

Remember of course that the donald never divested himself of these businesses, let his sons run them, but still draws money from them.
One of the reason his legal bill is high is that he still has law suits running against him, he is being sued by four plaintiffs who say he's violating the anti-corruption emoluments clauses of the Constitution and that's hurting their businesses. It was heard in court mid October with a decision coming in the next month or so. The DOJ are trying to get it thrown out saying it's up to congress to decide.

Not forgetting he's been sued the most since being in office, still has outstanding cases against him, including ones relating to sexual assault.

Those bills don't pay themselves

[Byker28i]

I think to be fair we have to put the donalds side:
“All I can say is it’s totally fake news. It’s just fake. It’s fake. It’s made-up stuff, and it’s disgraceful.”

Oh no, hang on, that was about being subpoenad over sexual harrasment and assault
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/15/politics/trump-c...

[Blue Cat]

I do wonder how you get through to Trump supporters, The New York Times published a transcript of Trump's interview about Russia - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/politics/ful...

And Trump supporters were calling it 'fake news'

No, it's just a write up of his exact words, how anyone can read it and still think he is a competent leader is beyond me

[minimoog]

Blue Cat said:

I do wonder how you get through to Trump supporters,

You can't. He could fk his daughter live on Fox & Friends and they'd still vote for him. In fact his popularity would probably go up.

The only way to deal with him is to impeach (unlikely) or turn out more Dem voters at the elections.

[minimoog]

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