45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[Halb]

Byker28i said:

Halb said:

Byker28i said:

No they moved out into a trailer on the pavement in August after disagreeing about the terms of the lease, and the cost increase. But then they did spend the entire years budget by august and had to get additional funding.

The budgets been taking a hammering, $100,000 for Eric Trump’s trip in January to Uruguay to promote the Punta del Esta Trump property, similar amount for Kushner and Ivankas skiing holiday, $20m for trumps jollies every weekend to Mar-A Largo in the first 4 months.

The donald charged the secret service $60,000 for the use of golf karts at Mar-a-lago. Just more examples of how he cleverly funnels money into his pocket.

Just bear in mind that Obama spent $100m in 8 years on his security...

This real? Not a joke?

What, where the moneys going, nope money off to his legal team, but also to his businesses.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/17...

Remember of course that the donald never divested himself of these businesses, let his sons run them, but still draws money from them.
One of the reason his legal bill is high is that he still has law suits running against him, he is being sued by four plaintiffs who say he's violating the anti-corruption emoluments clauses of the Constitution and that's hurting their businesses. It was heard in court mid October with a decision coming in the next month or so. The DOJ are trying to get it thrown out saying it's up to congress to decide.

Not forgetting he's been sued the most since being in office, still has outstanding cases against him, including ones relating to sexual assault.

Those bills don't pay themselves

Even putting all the other stuff to one side, how can any rational person think this is acceptable?

[paua]

smn159 said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

Yeah, that's clearly the only reason that people think that Trump is a knob.

You've swallowed the Trump KNOB whole, haven't you?

FTFY

[Countdown]

Halb said:

Even putting all the other stuff to one side, how can any rational person think this is acceptable?

Rational people don't. However rational people appear t be in a minority in the US.

[Byker28i]

Countdown said:

Halb said:

Even putting all the other stuff to one side, how can any rational person think this is acceptable?

Rational people don't. However rational people appear t be in a minority in the US.

because not Hillary?

Even now the house russian investigation will be wound up in the new year - they've set a date just like the donald wanted, brush it all under the carpet.
Oh and they're extending the house russian investigation into the Uranium one company, because Clinton, and the donald asked.

Actually it'll be good to finally put that false claim to rest
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-rus...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...

[Not-The-Messiah]

Byker28i said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Byker28i said:

Does that include the money that trump is still collecting that he's using to pay his huge number of lawyers?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Not his own money of course, he even gets his donors to pay
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-legal-fund-paid-bill...

Lets not forget that trump used his election funds to pay his own businesses. Nice way to move the money into your own pocket
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trum...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 12th November 11:09

I could just as easily put a few links up about how Hillary controlled and misused her campaign money. Both sides are crook's in away it's just how people only seem to focus on Trump and ignore the failings of the people they support annoys me.

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

It's quite simple psychology really if I had two people and I could control what people hear about these two people. And all I did is only tell people about the failures of one and the success of the other. Even though they both equally succeeded and failed. If asked people what do you think of each person it's quite obvious what the outcome would be.

But you're not disputing any of this, from a candidate who ran on a mandate of 'draining the swamp', getting rid of those taking money, exploiting the system. You're fine with the hypocrisy?

We're not discussing Clinton by the way, although it's amazing how you still need to bring this up a year later, just like the donald...

I'm not disputing it the idea that a guy like Trump his in control of the most powerful country on earth bothers me. But what bothers me more is how he got there in the first place and previous decisions that caused it not the fact that he's there.

I don't perticualy like Trump but a what I do hate his this unfair over the top hysterical approach to Trump.

The graduate middle class elite of the Western world and their blind lap dogs have been show lately how out of touch and deluded they really are not with just their fellow countrymen but the wider world in general. Sadly I don't think they will realise this untill it all comes crashing down around them.

[jmorgan]

This s not a class thing. Someone has taken be stage and his attributes are out in the open. He is his own advert.

[Not-The-Messiah]

jmorgan said:

This s not a class thing. Someone has taken be stage and his attributes are out in the open. He is his own advert.

Don't call it class then call it cultural. If you put a average university graduate in a 1980-90 pub they wouldn't know what hit them. They would think they had walked into Hitler's layer.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Sunday 12th November 22:26

[vonuber]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Don't call it class then call it cultural. If you put a average university graduate in a 1980-90 pub they wouldn't know what hit them. They would think they had walked into Hitler's layer.

Not if that Uni student was at Uni during 1980 to 1990.

[Eddie Strohacker]

vonuber said:

Not if that Uni student was at Uni during 1980 to 1990.

[AW111]

Does Hitler's layer refer to archaeology or poultry?

[anonymous-user]

Is NTM another of the "I R hatez people what R educated" gang?

[jmorgan]

Not-The-Messiah said:

jmorgan said:

This s not a class thing. Someone has taken be stage and his attributes are out in the open. He is his own advert.

Don't call it class then call it cultural. If you put a average university graduate in a 1980-90 pub they wouldn't know what hit them. They would think they had walked into Hitler's layer.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Sunday 12th November 22:26

Eh?

Don’t need a degree or culture to see the stupid gene in action.

[Uppercut]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11943...

[AW111]

Breadvan72 said:

Is NTM another of the "I R hatez people what R educated" gang?

There appear to be a lot of them on PH.

I am immune to their scorn, since I dropped out of uni, so can class myself as uneducated , just a voracious reader.

When I was at uni, we spent a fair bit of time in 1980's pubs - which may partially explain the dropping out.

[Byker28i]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I'm not disputing it the idea that a guy like Trump his in control of the most powerful country on earth bothers me.

Who are you and what have you done with the real NTM?

[Byker28i]

So Trumps twitter rant was because he got his phone back again? Did Melania take it off him as his staff were doing the official tweets.
She stayed behind in China after another row (remembering that they lived apart for the first 6 months of the donalds presidency) and the donald has his meltdown?
Was it because the other leaders pointed out his US isolation policies as they went their own way with an Asia-Pacific treaty without the US, allowing the Chinese to step into the power vacuum left?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/world/asia/trum...

[anonymous-user]

Next up: Trump meets Duterte. Idiot Bombs expected.

[Byker28i]

The Federal Election Commission have apparently caught Felix Slater making excessive payments to Trumps reelection fund, 40 pages worth of donations totaling over 6 figures. The Felix Sater who was convicted for laundering money in relation to the Russian mafia (hum wasn't one of Trumps casino's also...), who Trump was disassociating himself with even though Slater was involved in multiple Trump Organization real estate deals...

The question is, why would Slater be channeling money to the donald?

I mean the GOP is paying Trump Jr's legal fees and his
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/09/the-go...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-lawye...

Quite an interesting guy Slater
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/felix...

[_dobbo_]

Not-The-Messiah said:

It's how Trump is vilified by so many people purely because they have been fed a massively biased negative narrative by the media who hate him. It just shows to me how easily led by constraints positive or negative coverage of something or someone so many people can be controlled like brain dead sheep.

Here's the thing though - I read Trump's comments on twitter, or listen to his comments during speeches and interviews, and I think he's a terrible terrible human, a moron, and a liar. So many big beautiful lies.

In this context, the only negative narrative I am being fed is coming directly from Trump's mouth. Baa Baa indeed.

[WitnessProtection]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I don't perticualy like Trump but a what I do hate his this unfair over the top hysterical approach to Trump.

The same accusation could surely be leveled at Trump's relentless pursuit of the birther narrative and his campaign's ongoing attacks on Clinton?Continually referring to her as "Crooked Hillary", adopting Infowars.com memes into his rallies and leading thousands of people in chants of "LOCK HER UP!" would seem to qualify as over the top? Trump has fully immersed himself into the conspiracy world, both through who he has used as advisers (Stone, Bannon etc) and directly via appearances on Alex Jones' radio show, and readily endorses Jones - "“Your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down". Trump Jr has retweeted Infowars and Paul Joseph Watson, and Jones has repeatedly claimed to have the president's ear. It's either a cunning move to build a core support who will believe anything he says (even when it contradicts other things he says) and dogmatically reject any criticism as a conspiracy against him, or Trump genuinely aligns with Jones' paranoid worldview. Either strikes me as concerning behaviour from the president of the USA, irrespective of who it is.