45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[BlackFlag]

Eric Mc said:

You have compiled a list of what he is TRYING to do.

I'd like to see a list based on what legislation he has actually managed to put through Congress and the Senate and enacted into law.

Both actually; trying demonstrates that he wants to make good on his promises.

The new right, seems to be fully divorced from the old, corporatist right. It is gaining numbers and looks to represent a return to moderate conservatism and could even be described as libertarianism. It's quite fascinating to observe.

Whether they can muster the numbers to break the gridlock and obstruction in Congress remains to be seen. I think it's a good sign that the entrenched powers oppose him though. Draining the swamp may be one of the best political metaphors ever uttered.

[Byker28i]

Atomic12C said:

It just all seems a little pointless with us Brits preaching about Trump.

Or comparing? As a different society we have different views. Social attitudes to things like firearms, child marriage, underage sex, appropriating minors, age for driving, age for drinking. There's a lot that could be discussed. This thread just happens to be about the donald, his lack of morals and to be honest he's been so vocal on twitter, then doing exactly what he complained about others doing, that it just makes it easy to discuss his morals/smoke and mirrors.

[rscott]

BlackFlag said:

Eric Mc said:

You have compiled a list of what he is TRYING to do.

I'd like to see a list based on what legislation he has actually managed to put through Congress and the Senate and enacted into law.

Both actually; trying demonstrates that he wants to make good on his promises.

The new right, seems to be fully divorced from the old, corporatist right. It is gaining numbers and looks to represent a return to moderate conservatism and could even be described as libertarianism. It's quite fascinating to observe.

Whether they can muster the numbers to break the gridlock and obstruction in Congress remains to be seen. I think it's a good sign that the entrenched powers oppose him though. Draining the swamp may be one of the best political metaphors ever uttered.

How has he drained the swamp though? The people he's putting into it are just as bad (or worse) than those he's replacing.

[Byker28i]

BlackFlag said:

pinchmeimdreamin said:

BlackFlag said:

Conditioning, I suspect.

No we are still waiting for someone to write a list of all the Good things he has done so we can talk positively about hm.

Well, I think he's done a few positive things.

He stopped TTIP
He's working to amend ObamaCare
He's enacting policies to secure the border
He's enacting policies to reverse "free" trade/NAFTA era deals that decimated the American working class
He's (albeit in a crude manner) exposed many of our corporate media organizations

Also, his general inclinations on social issues and America's foreign policy are not particularly negative. He's socially liberal and he's anti- interventionist.

Whether he is broadly successful in the long run remains to be seen. I don't like his personal style, but if you watch old interviews with him, it would seem he's adopted a caculated approach adapted to the American media environment.

TTIP - less strict food regulations, less strict banking regulations (remembering it was the US banking that triggered the world wide crash)
Affordable Care Act - getting healthcare to the uninsured millions, looking after the lower classes, can't see whats wrong with that
Securing the border, thats fine if he wants, but the mexicans aren't paying for it
Free trade deals - thats debateable whether pulling out of those deals helps the US at all or they just becomes isolated as has happened in Asia now.
Corporate media - just because he shouts FAKE NEWS when they hold him to account doesn't mean they are being 'exposed'.

He has a hatred of Obama, is trying to undo all the social changes put in place to move the US forward and is dragging the us backwards whilst actually ignoring all the social issues that do need to be addressed.

[Tampon]

AreOut said:

Nope. I've seen many relationships where 15-16y old girls would date guys in early 20s, can't remember any of 14 but I don't think that's a massive difference.

Those guys are cool to other 16 years old but sad and predatory to their peers in ther 20's. We all know the types, Old banger with a bodykit outside the school gates waiting for their "girlfriend" to come out.

As a teacher I can tell you there are massive emotional and intellectual differences between a 14yr old and a 16 yr old (even then another fumbling 16yr old is only just acceptable). The development of a person is measure in huge jumps at these ages. Just because someone physically looks like you might want to fk them doesn't mean they can handle it.

Jesus wept man, stay away from me and my children (both students and my off spring). I really hope you are putting on a face for the internet or trolling and this isn't you in real life.

[jmorgan]

BlackFlag said:

jmorgan said:

BlackFlag said:

jmorgan said:

BlackFlag said:

Data speeds too slow for a hack, among other things.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-rai...

In time, this too will be tied back to the DNC just like nearly everything else involving supposedly nefarious Russians.

Leak, hack, snail mail, here you go Comrade, have some dirt.

Don't know enough about servers to ascertain speed however IF it were the Russians, you don't need to be in Russia. And paying someone for a data stick, that can work.

They cover this point in the article. A domestic hacking attempt could only get to within half of the DL speed recorded in the metadata.

But I digress, the information got out and that is all that mattered.

Yes but you have to dig into it and as mentioned by someone, debunked.


How much experience do you have of hacking? You use the term with authority, I know companies can get faster pipes in the region of many gb/s (even in 2016). I don't know anything and willing to learn what is legally able to be told. Can they piggy back faster networks? Alter metadata? (lauded to in the leaked tools, so the US will not be the only ones able to do it)

I know I can amend my photo metadata. And if I had a server, I expect that in 2016 I would have a fast electrical SFP in (1gb/s min) or a fibre SFP, so wonder what speed can be outputted and from where.

Can they access networks avoiding the ordinary rates, that is get on the fast track.

Just wondering the feasibility of it all and trying to understand the merits of various options.

Binney's assessment is disputed. No argument there; but that's political, and linking to the purveyors of Koigate isn't helping anyone.

The mails did their job; they informed the public of widespread corruption. Mook and Podesta were exposed. All positives.

Technical aspects I am interested in here.

[BlackFlag]

jmorgan said:

Technical aspects I am interested in here.

I've quoted an article that covered a statements made by an expert who is representing a group of experts. I am no expert.

I am aware that statements from Binney and co. are disputed (not debunked), but then we must not forget that the oft-touted "17 intelligence agencies" claim was retracted by the NY Times.

If you believe it was a hack, you need to back that up.

[Byker28i]

BlackFlag said:

jmorgan said:

Technical aspects I am interested in here.

I've quoted an article that covered a statements made by an expert who is representing a group of experts. I am no expert.

I am aware that statements from Binney and co. are disputed (not debunked), but then we must not forget that the oft-touted "17 intelligence agencies" claim was retracted by the NY Times.

If you believe it was a hack, you need to back that up.

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

His 'evidence' was based on a test between a data center in New Jersey and another in the UK, where he could not reproduce the download that took place on July 5, 2016 based on header information he'd been told, not that he's actually obtained.

It also turns out he's the source of the unfounded claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.

Ever wondered why Obama shut down the russian compounds in Maryland and New York?

And if thats still not enough for you - read the JOINT ANALYSIS REPORT Reference Number: JAR-16-20
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/public...

So thats a whole bunch of specialists, prepared to provide evidence of the hacking, who all reached the same conclusion separately against one bloke with an axe to grind.

But hey, there's plenty of conspiracy things for people to jump on that many decide to believe, moon landing, global warming, guns don't kill people, the russians had nothing to do with the election...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 23 November 13:57

[Byker28i]

Incidently, as its thanksgiving, the donald has quietly killed proposed rule changes put in place by Obama to protect smaller farmers
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/22/turkey-f...

Whilst the EPA is relaxing rules for the big companies, so that they no longer have to report water pollution caused by the farms and exempting most farms from reporting emissions coming from poultry waste. I'm sure thats nothing to do with Pruitt, the donalds pick for head of the EPA, receiving donations from over 30 poultry executives, nor would it have had any impact on him settling with the poultry industry over dumping 300,000 tons of animal waste a year in the Illinois River rather than continue with a lawsuit in federal court that his predecessor had initiated.

Drain that swamp eh!

[Shakermaker]

Byker28i said:

Incidently, as its thanksgiving, the donald has quietly killed proposed rule changes put in place by Obama to protect smaller farmers
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/22/turkey-f...

Whilst the EPA is relaxing rules for the big companies, so that they no longer have to report water pollution caused by the farms and exempting most farms from reporting emissions coming from poultry waste. I'm sure thats nothing to do with Pruitt, the donalds pick for head of the EPA, receiving donations from over 30 poultry executives, nor would it have had any impact on him settling with the poultry industry over dumping 300,000 tons of animal waste a year in the Illinois River rather than continue with a lawsuit in federal court that his predecessor had initiated.

Drain that swamp eh!

Drain it into the Illinois River! After all, that runs through Chicago. Who comes from Chigao? Obama! Job done, bigly!

[BlackFlag]

Byker28i said:

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 23 November 13:57

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

[DMN]

A report into the secret Israeli information he leaked to the Russians has been released (although the below is an article about it, not the report):

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.824545

Isreal are not happy about the (however small) chance that their methods have been leaked to Iran via Russia.

[i] Israeli intelligence officials were concerned that the exposure of classified information to their American counterparts in the Trump administration could lead to it being leaked to Russia and onward to Iran. The intelligence concerns, which had been discussed in closed forums, were based on suspicions of ties between Trump, or his associates, and the government of Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

According to the January report, American officials under President Barack Obama implied that Israel should “be careful” when transferring intelligence information to the White House and the National Security Council following Trump's inauguration on January 20. [/i]

[jjlynn27]

BlackFlag said:

Well, I think he's done a few positive things.

He stopped TTIP

No, he didn't.

BlackFlag said:

He's working to amend ObamaCare

No, he's not. He just figured out that healthcare is 'unbelievably complex'.

BlackFlag said:

He's enacting policies to secure the border

The ones where is getting slapped down by judges for trying to things that are against the law?

BlackFlag said:

He's enacting policies to reverse "free" trade/NAFTA era deals that decimated the American working class

Yes, NAFTA deals are responsible for 'decimated working class'.

BlackFlag said:

He's (albeit in a crude manner) exposed many of our corporate media organizations

Also, his general inclinations on social issues and America's foreign policy are not particularly negative. He's socially liberal and he's anti- interventionist.

Whether he is broadly successful in the long run remains to be seen. I don't like his personal style, but if you watch old interviews with him, it would seem he's adopted a caculated approach adapted to the American media environment.

He's done a grand total of sweet FA. Well, apart from running huge tab for personal security. He has no class and he is #MALS. (make America laughing stock).

[rscott]

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 23 November 13:57

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

Are you aware that several of Binney's colleagues in VIPS dispute his claims? https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-c...


https://www.thenation.com/article/a-leak-or-a-hack...

[Byker28i]

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

Did you read the JAR? At least they put it all on paper unlike Binney's unfounded claims
It was NY times and AP that got the number wrong, however CIA, FBI, NSA and Director of National Intelligence all agree that the russians did the hacking.

There's non so blind that cannot see....

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 23 November 15:15

[Escapegoat]

BlackFlag said:

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

Definitely scherzkeks.

You're not here for the hunting are you?

[Zod]

Byker28i said:

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

Did you read the JAR? At least they put it all on paper unlike Binney's unfounded claims

There's non so blind that cannot see....

Freefall!

[BlackFlag]

rscott said:

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

There were debunked as said previously. Trump even got the CIA director to go meet with your so called expert, but concluded they had no real proof to offer and that the Russians were still the source of the hacking.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/mike-po...

Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 23 November 13:57

This article simply regurgitates CIA claims, which are not credible. Clapper has lied on multiple occasions, the claim about 17 agencies supporting the hacking narrative was rescinded, and CNN has been caught on multiple occasions purveying falsehoods.

All verifiable. To date there is no evidence that hacking occured.

Are you aware that several of Binney's colleagues in VIPS dispute his claims? https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-c...


https://www.thenation.com/article/a-leak-or-a-hack...

Yes, I am. And other intel veterans support his claims. His claims are disputed, but not debunked.

Most important, of course, is that those claiming the hack occured must demonstrate that this is the case. They shoulder the burden of proof.


We also have some verifiable facts that might lead us to skepticism:

Clapper has lied under oath, Brennan has lied under oath, 17 intelligence agencies did not blame Russia for hacks, and CNN and several other corporate media outlets lie outright and with regularity.

[Countdown]

BlackFlag said:

Well, I think he's done a few positive things.

He stopped TTIP
He's working to amend ObamaCare
He's enacting policies to secure the border
He's enacting policies to reverse "free" trade/NAFTA era deals that decimated the American working class
He's (albeit in a crude manner) exposed many of our corporate media organizations

Also, his general inclinations on social issues and America's foreign policy are not particularly negative. He's socially liberal and he's anti- interventionist.

Whether he is broadly successful in the long run remains to be seen. I don't like his personal style, but if you watch old interviews with him, it would seem he's adopted a caculated approach adapted to the American media environment.

You say those are "positive" things. What he is trying to do is either incredibly negative and/or downright stupid. For example - his "Build the Wall/Mexico will pay" Policy is built on lies and stupidity. His lies and the stupidity of those who believed him. The vast majority of illegal immigrants FLY into US airports and yet he wants to spunk up to $25bn on a wall. With glass inserts so that people on the US side can spot drug smugglers lobbing sacks of Coke over the wall.......

And he really hasn't exposed any media organisations. The reason he doesn't like them is because they expose his hypocrisy and his stupidity. Anybody who thinks he has is drunk on Trump Koolaid and probably can't see how many ways he's being shafted by the Commander in Chief who is pi$$ing millions on security whilst playing golf at the Winter White House. He's milking his time as POTUS and ensuring he gives himself and his cronies massive tax breaks whilst distracting the simpletons who voted for him by indulging in arguments with Black football and basketball players.

[Byker28i]

BlackFlag said:

Clapper has lied under oath, Brennan has lied under oath,

Clapper lied under oath - This is the Claim Trump made when he said he had tapes - then had to admit he didn't. Bluff and was caught out.

Colaboration with Russians, Kushner, Carter Page , Flynn, Trump Junior, Papadopolous, Sessions, Mannafort, Gates, Nunes, Roger Stone, all have lied about meetings, coverups - sorry they didn't rememebr but now having been prompted by evidence being disclosed....

Now why would so many try to cover up, sorry forget?