45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
Discussion
BlackFlag said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Thought this really sums up and explain half the people on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_idhCca2XM
Surprisingly accurate. The problem is that people want their biases confirmed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_idhCca2XM
A look through the leaked DNC/Podesta mails at Wiki destroys every major anti-Trump narrative in the press at the moment.
I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
Vanity Fair are reporting what the donald told the russians about secret Israeli operations. This was the info that the donald says he was of course right to do this
"As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do..."
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/16/528598685/trump-say...
Of course there is a tweet from the donald relating to this
Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team "were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." Not fit!
11:12 AM - Jul 6, 2016
Vanity Fair in their article point out the ramifications, and that the Israeli's then were warned by US intelligence that Putin had “leverages of pressure” over Trump
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-inte...
"As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do..."
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/16/528598685/trump-say...
Of course there is a tweet from the donald relating to this
Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team "were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." Not fit!
11:12 AM - Jul 6, 2016
Vanity Fair in their article point out the ramifications, and that the Israeli's then were warned by US intelligence that Putin had “leverages of pressure” over Trump
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-inte...
Not-The-Messiah said:
There was a good horizon program on last night on BBC 4 about biases. It showed how our subconscious minds and in built biases control us even if we think we are being rational.
I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
It's very human and well noted. I'm the opposite to you (surprise, surprise). I tend to see a leftish view of the world but in certain areas I could also be considered right wing. Most of us are capable of holding views that may to others seem a bit hypocritical - but to me it shows that most of us cannot and should never be 100% biased in any one direction.I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
Blackpuddin said:
My biggest worry about Trump is that it feels like we're getting to a point where nothing he does will become worthy of comment. The normalisation of lying and of the abuse of power will be his biggest legacy and that is scary.
Remember previous presidents also lied and abused power. This is nothing new. Although this is on a more frequent occurrence but not necessarily on a new level. I think Clinton, Bush Jnr and Nixon lied and abused power at the same 'level' if not more than Trump has managed to do.... to date. (But give him time and I'm sure he'll likely get there).The Trump legacy though is surely something that Americans should be concerned about, not us Brits. We have our own problems such as the Blair and Brown legacy.
Through all the media hype and the retaliations from Trump, which is doing neither side any good for their reputation or legacy, I think most of it is simply stuff to be ignored from our side of the pond. Although it does fill the 24hr news slots with meaningless content - which could be better filled with news more concerning the UK. (Maybe some good news for a change? - maybe not, as that doesn't tune in the viewers).
Byker28i said:
It also points out that BlackFlag hasn't actually read them as mostly it's internal b
hing and moaning.
A small sample of the goodies inside include:hing and moaning.Mook and Podesta planning the Russian narrative, Podesta's firm lobbying to remove sanctions on the Russian government, and communications with journalists like Maggie Habermann (NYT) and Glenn Thrush (Politico), who allowed the Clinton campaign to edit beforehand and plant stories. Glenn even calls himself a hack in one of them.
Also lots on Uranium 1. About the only subject I have not come across is the Dems paying Fusion GPS for the silly Peegate dossier. But that came out anways.
The leaks were seismic in terms of impact. In terms of the ability to distribute information and bypass gatekeepers, we are living through an amazing time in history right now.
Not-The-Messiah said:
There was a good horizon program on last night on BBC 4 about biases. It showed how our subconscious minds and in built biases control us even if we think we are being rational.
I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
Thinking that reading some left- and some right-wing sources and that the truth will be somewhere between is fifth form level at best and that's before we get to your spectrum in which the BBC and the Guardian seem to be equivalent in their place on the spectrum to Breitbart.I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
Edited by Zod on Friday 24th November 10:44
BlackFlag said:
Byker28i said:
It also points out that BlackFlag hasn't actually read them as mostly it's internal bhing and moaning.
A small sample of the goodies inside include:hing and moaning.Mook and Podesta planning the Russian narrative, Podesta's firm lobbying to remove sanctions on the Russian government, and communications with journalists like Maggie Habermann (NYT) and Glenn Thrush (Politico), who allowed the Clinton campaign to edit beforehand and plant stories. Glenn even calls himself a hack in one of them.
Also lots on Uranium 1. About the only subject I have not come across is the Dems paying Fusion GPS for the silly Peegate dossier. But that came out anways.
The leaks were seismic in terms of impact. In terms of the ability to distribute information and bypass gatekeepers, we are living through an amazing time in history right now.
Zod said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
There was a good horizon program on last night on BBC 4 about biases. It showed how our subconscious minds and in built biases control us even if we think we are being rational.
I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
OK, that's convinced me that you are an intelligent, discerning judge of news sources. I will always admit that I am guilty of it and they affect me. But knowing this and accepting it, I believe helps you be more rational. I will always tend to side with right wing views but try not to discount the left view. I will get information from as wider range of sources as possible. Ranging from TYT, CNN, the Guardian, BBC to Fox news, breitbart, the mail even infowars. Knowing the truth is somewhere in the middle. But the sort of people who say they refuse to read or look at a information source because its to right or left wing are the dangerous one and this thread is full of them.
Thinking that reading some left- and some right-wing sources and that the truth will be somewhere between is fifth form level at best and that's before we get to your spectrum in which the BBC and the Guardian seem to be equivalent in their place on the spectrum to Breitbart.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Thought this really sums up and explain half the people on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_idhCca2XM
This really sums up and explains the other half.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_idhCca2XM
“Amazing job,” Trump said then. “So amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the air force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... You can’t see it. You literally can’t see it. It’s hard to fight a plane you can’t see.”
"“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
"“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
Trevatanus said:
“Amazing job,” Trump said then. “So amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the air force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... You can’t see it. You literally can’t see it. It’s hard to fight a plane you can’t see.”
"“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
The post two pages back must be invisible though..."“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
BlackFlag said:
Also lots on Uranium 1.
Ah yes...Uranium One.....again........http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one...
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-rus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeb4tal96ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUiP543q35k
Funkycoldribena said:
Trevatanus said:
“Amazing job,” Trump said then. “So amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the air force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... You can’t see it. You literally can’t see it. It’s hard to fight a plane you can’t see.”
"“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
The post two pages back must be invisible though..."“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said."
Thankfully, The Guardian went on to explain that it's not really invisible...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/23/tr...
Countdown said:
BlackFlag said:
Also lots on Uranium 1.
Ah yes...Uranium One.....again........http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one...
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-rus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeb4tal96ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUiP543q35k
Even Mueller was involved.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a....
Looking pretty swampy.
Zod said:
BlackFlag said:
Byker28i said:
It also points out that BlackFlag hasn't actually read them as mostly it's internal bhing and moaning.
A small sample of the goodies inside include:hing and moaning.Mook and Podesta planning the Russian narrative, Podesta's firm lobbying to remove sanctions on the Russian government, and communications with journalists like Maggie Habermann (NYT) and Glenn Thrush (Politico), who allowed the Clinton campaign to edit beforehand and plant stories. Glenn even calls himself a hack in one of them.
Also lots on Uranium 1. About the only subject I have not come across is the Dems paying Fusion GPS for the silly Peegate dossier. But that came out anways.
The leaks were seismic in terms of impact. In terms of the ability to distribute information and bypass gatekeepers, we are living through an amazing time in history right now.
Meanwhile there's at least 20 times that the Trump team denied any contact with Russians yet we know that's not true from several sources that have slowly come out. "Oh those contacts..." say the trump team, "we forgot about those..."
But we know now how Putin helped the donald win America’s presidential election, with his campaign team knowing about it and coordinating it. All the russian bots, the shared intelligence, the contacts, the knowledge about the DNC hacks. Then when it all starts to come out he fires the FBI investigator in the hope of putting an end to it.
So here we are a year in with a special council getting close, two indictments and a guilty plea already under his belt. Flynn reported to be seeking a deal to keep his son out of jail. Trumps finances getting investigated so he dumps his money laundering hotel thats being investigated, tries to dissolve his foundation charity thats under investigation.
But still the trumpettes try to deflect
The only real question is, will he try to walk away like he does with all his other business failures? Resign before charged, or at a point where his financial links to russia start to get revealed. What would be his tipping point? Whatever it is, it won't be his fault.
Edited by Byker28i on Friday 24th November 11:29
BlackFlag said:
Countdown said:
BlackFlag said:
Also lots on Uranium 1.
Ah yes...Uranium One.....again........http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one...
https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-rus...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeb4tal96ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUiP543q35k
Even Mueller was involved.
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a....
Looking pretty swampy.
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