45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[Halb]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Andy Murray. Tee hee.

That is ace, everyone should do it.

[p1stonhead]

Halb said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Andy Murray. Tee hee.

That is ace, everyone should do it.

Hillary should do it about becoming president

[rscott]

AreOut said:

Countdown said:

(the kind of people who use Infowars and Wikileaks as their source of truth).

Wikileaks never released "fake news" unlike all the media you follow. Maybe you don't like reading real news but those you agree with.

Byker28i said:

Kim Jong-Un for standing up to him... and for making americans reach for the dictionary to look up dotard

Good, would you go to NK to personally show him your support?

It's been shown that Wikileaks fed information to the Trump team, so doubt they're any form of independent news source. Makes me wonder how much anti-Trump/pro-Clinton information they hold but haven't released.

[jmorgan]

rscott said:

AreOut said:

Countdown said:

(the kind of people who use Infowars and Wikileaks as their source of truth).

Wikileaks never released "fake news" unlike all the media you follow. Maybe you don't like reading real news but those you agree with.

Byker28i said:

Kim Jong-Un for standing up to him... and for making americans reach for the dictionary to look up dotard

Good, would you go to NK to personally show him your support?

It's been shown that Wikileaks fed information to the Trump team, so doubt they're any form of independent news source. Makes me wonder how much anti-Trump/pro-Clinton information they hold but haven't released.

Absolutely incredible if it is a one way street, and then people support the single sided release. Any other subject and the conspiracy loons would be screaming blue murder over it.

[BlackFlag]

Byker28i said:

BlackFlag said:

It wasn't debunked. Debunking means something was proven wrong.

it's still true that Putin helped the donald win America’s presidential election, with his campaign team knowing about it and coordinating it.

You still need proof for this statement. To date, none has been provided.

[Seventy]

BlackFlag said:

You still need proof for this statement. To date, none has been provided.

Hannity or Jones or Bannon or Jesus for that matter could provide you with it and you still wouldn't have it.

[jmorgan]

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

BlackFlag said:

It wasn't debunked. Debunking means something was proven wrong.

it's still true that Putin helped the donald win America’s presidential election, with his campaign team knowing about it and coordinating it.

You still need proof for this statement. To date, none has been provided.

Proof that Russia was involved is there. Don’t think a lot happens this way without Putin Saying so. Or you end up as part of a flyover.

[AreOut]

jmorgan said:

Proof that Russia was involved is there.

Where exactly?!

[jmorgan]

AreOut said:

Where exactly?!

Twitter accounts, Facebook accounts etc. That is not saying they pulled it off or influenced, just involved. The issue is no on knows if there was an effect or not and how deep it went.

I see twitter has just shut down another load of Russian accounts.

[Countdown]

AreOut said:

jmorgan said:

Proof that Russia was involved is there.

Where exactly?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40357357
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presiden...
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-w...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/sena...
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/russ...

[Countdown]

[minimoog]

Countdown said:

p1stonhead said:

All the Dems have to do in 2020 is run as the exact opposite of Trump in every way and they should walk it IMO.

I don’t think so.

There are a hardcore of Americans who will never ever vote Democratic, no matter how loathsome the Republican candidate is. There is also a group of people who are scared and gullible.(the kind of people who use Infowars and Wikileaks as their source of truth). As long as the GOP can keep these two groups on-side there’s a good chance that they will win again.

Indeed. Dems could use a candidate who isn't toxic as well. Not sure where that's coming from.

To quote someone else - 'The GOP has a long term, multi faceted strategy to gain and keep power, including subverting the judiciary, gerrymandering , voter suppression, and appeals to white nationalism. The Democrats have unrealistic legislative proposals and complaints about the GOP not playing fair'

That's no going to cut it.

[Halb]

If Bernie didn't wanna run again, Liz Warren looks ok.

The Dems need to scrap their superpac bks. It pisses on democracy.

[Byker28i]

Colonial said:

AreOut said:

Good, would you go to NK to personally show him your support?

Petulant child like leaders attract petulant child like supporters apparently.

He's missing an S from his name...

[Byker28i]

BlackFlag said:

Byker28i said:

BlackFlag said:

It wasn't debunked. Debunking means something was proven wrong.

it's still true that Putin helped the donald win America’s presidential election, with his campaign team knowing about it and coordinating it.

You still need proof for this statement. To date, none has been provided.

Why? You don't have proof for many of the statements you make, (hint: infowars/Breibart doesn't count)

There's no doubting the russians interfered with the US election. So many sources have now said so, apart from US intelligence agencies, there's social media companies, google, many other sources. All thats left to unpick is just how involved the donald and his team were and so far it's looking like quite a lot.

The joint intelligence report couldn't have made it clearer "Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump".

Facebook said that the Kremlin backed Internet Research Agency is reported to have hired hundreds of “trolls” to post false news stories and socially divisive content on these and other websites. Facebook, for instance, said the IRA posted content that reached more than 140 million of its users, heavily targeting Michigan and Wisconsin which the donald narrowly won.

There's been an awful lot of lying, sorry forgetfulness, over so many of the donalds team having meetings with russians, receiving intelligence from russians, discussing dirt with russians, donations from russians...

So many 'low level volunteers', 'coffee boys' having these high level meetings...

Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 26th November 07:57

[Byker28i]

Countdown said:

AreOut said:

jmorgan said:

Proof that Russia was involved is there.

Where exactly?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40357357
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presiden...
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-w...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/sena...
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/russ...

He'll be sitting in a corner with the lights out going "LA LA LA LA not listening"

[jmorgan]

Byker28i said:

Countdown said:

AreOut said:

jmorgan said:

Proof that Russia was involved is there.

Where exactly?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40357357
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presiden...
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-w...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/04/sena...
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/russ...

He'll be sitting in a corner with the lights out going "LA LA LA LA not listening"

More info freely available...... I am shocked....

Meanwhile Brietbart runs the story of Time and leaves out the rebuke from Time. Still there this AM.

[AreOut]

Byker28i said:

He'll be sitting in a corner with the lights out going "LA LA LA LA not listening"

Listening to what? There is not a single proof in those links. Setting up fake facebook/twitter accounts is what thousands of kids around the world do on a daily basis, would you argue they meddled in the election too?

[jmorgan]

AreOut said:

Byker28i said:

He'll be sitting in a corner with the lights out going "LA LA LA LA not listening"

Listening to what? There is not a single proof in those links. Setting up fake facebook/twitter accounts is what thousands of kids around the world do on a daily basis, would you argue they meddled in the election too?

It would appear that there is plenty pointing at them trying to disrupt at the very least (agreed, we do not know what exactly yet but the cracks are there to peep through).

It would suit Putin to have a destabilised US government and someone he thinks he can control. You don't need a willing leader, you need to know how to drive events to drive them. Mr T seems very drivable.

And that the leader has already professed a liking for Putin and his ilk. Now go back through a few stories and see the history, Trumps first visit to Russia perhaps and the reason. Money borrowed maybe, involvement of the brood, meetings with Russians that never happened, erm sorry did happen, (slaps forehead, "those Russians!").

I think it will be a few years before it is all out and what it is, well, who knows. You can certainly not say there is nothing there. That is what I expect hangers on and paid people to say. You know, false twitter accounts etc. Mind you, looking at some of the comments on the far right news orgs, it did not take much.

Personally I do not think the D man went in eyes wide open in cahoots with Putin, I think he bumbled in thinking he was the gods gift. Art of the deal etc.

[Byker28i]

jmorgan said:

AreOut said:

Byker28i said:

He'll be sitting in a corner with the lights out going "LA LA LA LA not listening"

Listening to what? There is not a single proof in those links. Setting up fake facebook/twitter accounts is what thousands of kids around the world do on a daily basis, would you argue they meddled in the election too?

It would appear that there is plenty pointing at them trying to disrupt at the very least (agreed, we do not know what exactly yet but the cracks are there to peep through).

It would suit Putin to have a destabilised US government and someone he thinks he can control. You don't need a willing leader, you need to know how to drive events to drive them. Mr T seems very drivable.

And that the leader has already professed a liking for Putin and his ilk. Now go back through a few stories and see the history, Trumps first visit to Russia perhaps and the reason. Money borrowed maybe, involvement of the brood, meetings with Russians that never happened, erm sorry did happen, (slaps forehead, "those Russians!").

I think it will be a few years before it is all out and what it is, well, who knows. You can certainly not say there is nothing there. That is what I expect hangers on and paid people to say. You know, false twitter accounts etc. Mind you, looking at some of the comments on the far right news orgs, it did not take much.

Personally I do not think the D man went in eyes wide open in cahoots with Putin, I think he bumbled in thinking he was the gods gift. Art of the deal etc.

I've said all along, with the donald it'll be about the money, how the russians have propped up his business empire for years and then used him as Putin and his associates have huge sums tied up by the US sanctions. This was all about getting those lifted.
With his team though, it seems they were so trying to please him, that they went to any extremes.

ArseOut said:

Listening to what? There is not a single proof in those links. Setting up fake facebook/twitter accounts is what thousands of kids around the world do on a daily basis, would you argue they meddled in the election too?

That's exactly what everyone is saying, the intelligence agencies, Facebook, Twitter, Google etc, everyone except Breibart and Infowars and the trumpettes. There's a significant difference between a teenager and a whole govt funded agency producing over 140 million targeted tweets, millions of targeted adverts directed at swing state voters. I'm afraid the evidence is overwhelming to all that haven't got orange trumpette blinkers on.

The only thing that needs discovering is how much collusion (not if) the donalds team participated in, and the donalds money trail