45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[DMN]

Funkycoldribena said:

Believe it or not,I'm not a massive fan of the bloke personally but I quite like his way of doing things and most of his policies.
I find the hysteria against him embarrassing and ridiculous and hope he lasts longer because of it.

There is no hysteria.

HTH.

[skyrover]

glazbagun said:

TBF, before 9/11 the US had been underpaying their pledges to the UN for years. Just like most other countries. They only seem to pay the UN when they want to use them for something.

Dont underestimate the loathing the majority of Americans share for the UN.

I would not be surprised if the US made overtures towards dropping funding altogether.

[Funkycoldribena]

DMN said:

There is no hysteria.

HTH.

If you say so.

[AreOut]

smn159 said:

Trump fans seem to have a tick list of pretty much identical beliefs, of which climate change denial is one.

rather denial that huge taxes on CO2 emissions will somehow change the chaotic system that we don't even understand

it's called common sense, and it's kinda ridiculous that nowadays it's represented by Donald Trump

[smn159]

AreOut said:

it's called common sense

Is that why Trump appoints people with little knowledge of their subjects other than opinions (common sense?) that appeal to the base?

What's wrong with critical thinking?

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

Quite a good tax calculator here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/ups... - showing the potential impact of the new plan.

I see that the personal tax changes expire in 2025, but the corporation tax changes are permanent.

Another comparison here - https://www.npr.org/2017/12/19/571754894/charts-se...

Edited by rscott on Wednesday 20th December 10:17

No law is permanent in a democracy. The difference in status is a technicality, both corporate and personal rates can be changed in the future.

[Yipper]

Lol.

Leftwingers and liberals must be about ready for their heads to explode!

They lost the election to an amateur first-timer, followed by record stockmarkets, near-record employment, and soaring GDP growth.

And no matter how many fake stories they throw at Trump -- from Russia to dementia -- nothing sticks!

Well funny.

[GetCarter]

Funkycoldribena said:

I quite like his way of doing things

He rouses the tired and lazy, fires up the indifferent and the doubting, turns cowards into men and weaklings into heroes.

[smn159]

Yipper said:

Lol.

Leftwingers and liberals must be about ready for their heads to explode!

They lost the election to an amateur first-timer, followed by record stockmarkets, near-record employment, and soaring GDP growth.

And no matter how many fake stories they throw at Trump -- from Russia to dementia -- nothing sticks!

Well funny.

Over emotive bks

1/10

[AreOut]

smn159 said:

Over emotive bks

1/10

[Tampon]

GetCarter said:

He rouses the tired and lazy, fires up the indifferent and the doubting, turns cowards into men and weaklings into heroes.

Truth can be brutal.

[GetCarter]

Tampon said:

GetCarter said:

He rouses the tired and lazy, fires up the indifferent and the doubting, turns cowards into men and weaklings into heroes.

Truth can be brutal.

Just in case, it was Goebbles about Hitler in 1933

[anonymous-user]

glazbagun said:

Jinx said:

GreatGranny said:

Wow!

Do the Americans really believe they can bully the UN?

The arrogance is off the scale.

If they cut the funding then yes they can - whose mantra was that again

TBF, before 9/11 the US had been underpaying their pledges to the UN for years. Just like most other countries. They only seem to pay the UN when they want to use them for something.

As a businessman Trump was notorious for not paying people who’d done work for him. He’d let them sue, if they dared, make spurious cross claims, run them into the ground and walk away from the debt. Irrespective of the quality of the work. It was just a thing he did. Part of the game of business. Those that tried to fight he’d badmouth around town and then watch their work dry up, or if they were illegals (he loved having them work for him) he’d threaten to have them deported.

His approach to the UN seems inspired by his business history. Be the biggest player around the table, then use that to lever the little players into line. Threaten to cut off the money if they don’t play ball. My way or the highway.

I’m not persuaded that you can a country, domestically or internationally, as if it were a company. Trump obviously thinks you can. It may explain why he admires Putin - he doesn’t see past the fact that Putin runs Russia as if it is his pet company and he doens’t have to answer to anyone.

[Randy Winkman]

Greg66 said:

It may explain why he admires Putin - he doesn’t see past the fact that Putin runs Russia as if it is his pet company and he doens’t have to answer to anyone.

Exactly. And Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years and then KGB Lieutenant Colonel before entering politics. So he might sometimes seem like a bit of a twit but he's well smart.

[jmorgan]

Randy Winkman said:

Greg66 said:

It may explain why he admires Putin - he doesn’t see past the fact that Putin runs Russia as if it is his pet company and he doens’t have to answer to anyone.

Exactly. And Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years and then KGB Lieutenant Colonel before entering politics. So he might sometimes seem like a bit of a twit but he's well smart.

Learning his trade in kompromat and control and espionage.....

[Randy Winkman]

jmorgan said:

Randy Winkman said:

Greg66 said:

It may explain why he admires Putin - he doesn’t see past the fact that Putin runs Russia as if it is his pet company and he doens’t have to answer to anyone.

Exactly. And Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years and then KGB Lieutenant Colonel before entering politics. So he might sometimes seem like a bit of a twit but he's well smart.

Learning his trade in kompromat and control and espionage.....

Yes. The sort of stuff that might help him pull the wool over the eyes of the less astute.

[Countdown]

jmorgan said:

Randy Winkman said:

Greg66 said:

It may explain why he admires Putin - he doesn’t see past the fact that Putin runs Russia as if it is his pet company and he doens’t have to answer to anyone.

Exactly. And Putin was a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years and then KGB Lieutenant Colonel before entering politics. So he might sometimes seem like a bit of a twit but he's well smart.

Learning his trade in kompromat and control and espionage.....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/james-clapper-putin-...

[Challo]

Byker28i said:

Pam Bondi suggests that Robert Mueller ‘corrupt’ probe ‘worse than Watergate’

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/251755-foxs-ha...

Hang on, wasn't she on the transition team executive committee, along with Mike Pence, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Michael Flynn, Rudy Giuliani, and Jeff Sessions, those that knew all about the sanctions phone call. Hum, no link there then...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 20th December 16:25

That’s full out tinfoil hat stuff.

[Colonial]

The character of the supporters of a politician is generally a good guide to their own character.

And that is a damming indictment on Trump.

[CAPP0]

Did the VT of him announcing the tax cuts, with all his lackeys gurning madly behind him and then clapping and cheering, remind anyone else of, say, the leader of any other country?

Edited by CAPP0 on Wednesday 20th December 22:28