45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[babatunde]

So is he done yet?

https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/8986135260335...

[Byker28i]

So after thursday, when the white house put out a statement that Carl Icahn hadnt gone, he has and is already distancing himself from Trump - I never gave him much assistance anyway "I never had a formal position with your administration nor a policymaking role."
Another damming statement
http://carlicahn.com/carl-icahn-issues-statement/


Then we can add

George Sifakis, director of the Office of Public Liaison, has also announced his resignation. Now this is an interesting one as many people in top cybersecurity roles across the federal government have resigned in recent weeks and they are struggling to fill those positions
Thats obviously why the response from Trump was to tweet and put out a statement saying "I have directed that United States Cyber Command be elevated to the status of a Unified Combatant Command focused on cyberspace operations. "

It all good here folks, make your way home, nothing to see here

Richard Staropoli, Department of Homeland Security CIO has resigned
Dave DeVries, The Office of Personnel Management CIO has resigned
Sean Kelley, Environmental Protection Agency’s chief information security officer has resigned

Apparently there's an Evangelical advisory board. We only know about this because Pastor A. R. Bernard has resigned from it
https://twitter.com/ARBernard/status/8986619831463...

White House Special Assistant Julia Hahn has been fired

[Byker28i]

And Felix Sater has been singing like a canary
http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/17/award-winn...

The FBI and the russian investigations have had their hooks into Felix Sater for some time. He's one of Trumps link into the russians and the russian money, Ukraine money laundering etc. Quite a dodgy person to do business with, found guilty of racketeering in a $40 million stock fraud scheme that the Mafia organized, though he never went to jail for it, because he became an informant for the FBI and CIA.

For the last 6 weeks it's been reported he's been singing like a canary again to save him self going to jail.
As I said, everything else is a very disturbing distraction. Trump family and associates real problem is the money, where it came from and the pressure that has been exerted because of it. I'm not talking election fixing, although that was a nice side assistance, we're talking the efforts to promote and assist the Russians through relaxing sanctions that are personally hurting the ruling classes over there, especially Putin.


And Muellers going directly after Trump Junior. No wonder the donald was asking about pardons for everyone
https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/special-counse...

[Byker28i]

I must admit I'm keen to see how the trumpettes pass this week off as a success. So much winning going on here

[TeaNoSugar]

A few questions for this thread; I don't know much about the US political system, but to ensure there's no way a lunatic can remain in charge there must be an equivalent of a uk parliaments motion of no confidence? If not, how does the governing party rid itself of an incompetent/unfit person like Trump?

I know there's "impeachment" but I'm not sure that's quite the same thing? What I'm wondering is; is it really so difficult for the Republicans to do anything to oust Trump at this stage?

This spiral of decline clearly can't go on much longer but I've been thinking that for weeks now! How much more embarrassing can it get for the Republican Party if they remain unable or unwilling to kick out this clown?

Finally, if he was sacked, would the Vice President automatically take over, and would there be another election or are the 4yr terms set in stone?

[here_we_go]

TeaNoSugar said:

A few questions for this thread; I don't know much about the US political system, but to ensure there's no way a lunatic can remain in charge there must be an equivalent of a uk parliaments motion of no confidence? If not, how does the governing party rid itself of an incompetent/unfit person like Trump?

There's the 25th amendment - been various hopeful articles about this since January. Not sure how realisitic any of it is.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-charlott... etc

[turbobloke]

here_we_go said:

TeaNoSugar said:

A few questions for this thread; I don't know much about the US political system, but to ensure there's no way a lunatic can remain in charge there must be an equivalent of a uk parliaments motion of no confidence? If not, how does the governing party rid itself of an incompetent/unfit person like Trump?

There's the 25th amendment - been various hopeful articles about this since January. Not sure how realisitic any of it is.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-charlott... etc

There's no sign of the entertainment stopping any time soon.

In an almost similar vein there was a newspaper headline earlier this week about another crisis for T May, she's not been ousted yet either despite Steptoe wibbling on about being PM within a month. How many months ago was that?

[p1stonhead]

Christ I thought he was finally admitting it!

Nope this is an attack on Obama

[turbobloke]

Thanks for clarifying

[here_we_go]

p1stonhead said:

Ok WTF am I missing guys? This is his actual account....

It's three and a half years old?

[Eddie Strohacker]

His old tweets are great. There's one to hit him over the head with for every occasion.

[p1stonhead]

here_we_go said:

p1stonhead said:

Ok WTF am I missing guys? This is his actual account....

It's three and a half years old?

Yeah only spotted that after I posted

[FN2TypeR]

turbobloke said:

here_we_go said:

TeaNoSugar said:

A few questions for this thread; I don't know much about the US political system, but to ensure there's no way a lunatic can remain in charge there must be an equivalent of a uk parliaments motion of no confidence? If not, how does the governing party rid itself of an incompetent/unfit person like Trump?

There's the 25th amendment - been various hopeful articles about this since January. Not sure how realisitic any of it is.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-charlott... etc

There's no sign of the entertainment stopping any time soon.

In an almost similar vein there was a newspaper headline earlier this week about another crisis for T May, she's not been ousted yet either despite Steptoe wibbling on about being PM within a month. How many months ago was that?

It's always tomorrow for these people

Trust me it's coming!

[FN2TypeR]

p1stonhead said:

Christ I thought he was finally admitting it!

Nope this is an attack on Obama

There's fking heaps of those kicking about that people enjoy digging up,

[Eddie Strohacker]

TeaNoSugar said:

A few questions for this thread; I don't know much about the US political system, but to ensure there's no way a lunatic can remain in charge there must be an equivalent of a uk parliaments motion of no confidence? If not, how does the governing party rid itself of an incompetent/unfit person like Trump?

I know there's "impeachment" but I'm not sure that's quite the same thing? What I'm wondering is; is it really so difficult for the Republicans to do anything to oust Trump at this stage?

This spiral of decline clearly can't go on much longer but I've been thinking that for weeks now! How much more embarrassing can it get for the Republican Party if they remain unable or unwilling to kick out this clown?

Finally, if he was sacked, would the Vice President automatically take over, and would there be another election or are the 4yr terms set in stone?

There's the 25th amendment but that's never happening. It was briefly mooted for Reagan on the grounds that he was so old he was doolally. If the accounts of that are to be believed, that idea lasted about thirty minutes. You'd have to show Trump was nuts or incapacitated & the best you've got right now is mendacious, not very good at it as opposed to incompetent which is a matter of opinion & probably a racist which is deniable no matter what the evidence to the contrary.

I'd have to check the numbers on impeachment, from memory it's all the Dems & 12 Republicans to serve articles, so that's a non starter for now outside of something huge we don't know about coming to light or Mueller's investigation torpedoing him.

In short, unless he dies, resigns or is shown to have broken the law in a serious enough manner, you're stuck with him & his scorched earth administration. If he did go outside of a full term Pence takes over, which is the point of having a VP & a Pence presidency is more frightening imo. He's just as unhinged, if not more with added ability to actually work the system.

[tvrforever]

well the sun has risen, so who else has left the mad house?

[TeaNoSugar]

Thanks for the replies - so the circus continues then with more revelations and the US' world standing takes even more of a bashing. Really worrying. I know getting rid of elected officials is tough, but the Republicans don't seem to be doing anything at all. Behind the scenes must be interesting I would imagine though!

With regards to the Teresa May link (Turbobloke?); as much as I don't like her politics, and find her personality quite odd, I think it's very different. I'm sure most people would admit she is at least reasonably competent to work within the system we have, and doesn't appear to be an actual sociopath/psychopath. She's quite thick-skinned, and a professional politician. Trump on the other hand seems very thin-skinned and prone to irrational outbursts when under pressure.

This is what worries me most I think. I read the article his biographer gave to one of the main news outlets (the guy who ghost-wrote the art of the deal), and it was concerning. I thought it might well be overblown or sour grapes or something like that, but the more I see and read of Trump, I think he was bang on the money. Trump become more isolated and cornered by the day and his decision-making appears to be totally unplanned, often irrational, contradictory, and spur-of-the-moment. That's absolutely not what a country as "nervy" and trigger-happy as the US needs in my opinion. If the Vice President is seen as "even worse", then who knows what might happen over the next 3 years!

[Byker28i]

The CEO's that resigned on mass did so because to resign individually, they were worried about Trumps reaction, he's well known for being vindictive. Look at what he did to Ken Frazier of Merck, and to Amazon, wiping $5bn off their stock price, despite many pension funds having that stock. He doesn't care, it's all about him.

Hence the mass resignation and the comeback that "you can't resign I'm disbanding you anyway..". So the 'business guru leader' pisses off almost every major ceo in the country.

And it's affecting his business with a further 3 fundraising events pulled. The American Red Cross, The Salvation Army and Susan G. Komen for the Cure announced on Friday they would hold their events planned for Mar-a-Lago elsewhere,. The Cleveland Clinic, the American Cancer Society and the American Friends of Magen David Adom all announced earlier this week they would no longer hold events at Mar-a-Lago either.

[turbobloke]

TeaNoSugar said:

With regards to the Teresa May link (Turbobloke?); as much as I don't like her politics, and find her personality quite odd, I think it's very different. I'm sure most people would admit she is at least reasonably competent to work within the system we have, and doesn't appear to be an actual sociopath/psychopath. She's quite thick-skinned, and a professional politician. Trump on the other hand seems very thin-skinned and prone to irrational outbursts when under pressure.

Agreed, hence my use of the phrase 'alnmost similar vein'. The similar bit related to how people who didn't vote for (or support the election of) a political leader are often to be found hoping/wanting/half-expecting them to be turfed out - when the reality is that for Trump he's very likely to serve a full term and in the case of May she's a gonner but is likely to go when she's ready not when her opponents hope/wish/half-expect.

[Halb]

TeaNoSugar said:

This is what worries me most I think. I read the article his biographer gave to one of the main news outlets (the guy who ghost-wrote the art of the deal), and it was concerning. I thought it might well be overblown or sour grapes or something like that, but the more I see and read of Trump, I think he was bang on the money. Trump become more isolated and cornered by the day and his decision-making appears to be totally unplanned, often irrational, contradictory, and spur-of-the-moment. That's absolutely not what a country as "nervy" and trigger-happy as the US needs in my opinion. If the Vice President is seen as "even worse", then who knows what might happen over the next 3 years!

Pence is worse in the sense he is a true dyed in the red wool far right religious GoP type, but he's a long time politician who is at the least, competent and not erratic, he just would be better off in a Middle East type environment, circa 45ad. It might be better to put up with Trump, under Pence and a red congress a new era of intolerance and meanness could be ushered in.