45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
Discussion
JagLover said:
Countdown said:
Secondly, have you considered having some dignity or self-respect? The man's an imbecile and loathed by most of his own countrymen and most of the civilised world. Yet you think we should be humble and servile to the loathsome sack of congealed whaleship simply because you think he's going to "protect us"? Given that his tongue is lodged deep within Putin's rectum who exactly do you think he is going to protect us from?
Like him or (more likely) loath him he is both the most powerful man in the world and extremely petty.The French made a fuss over him and gave him a lovely lunch on top the Eiffel tower. He cant even visit us because of the protests that would result
Relations between countries also depend on people.
There will be some reckoning and soul-searching once this sorry episode is over, and I think there are some folks who supported Trump or even tolerated him who will come to be seen as having been VERY much on the wrong side of history.
JagLover said:
The French made a fuss over him and gave him a lovely lunch on top the Eiffel tower. He cant even visit us because of the protests that would result
I could look the other way if you couldn't recall the date of George IV's death. I mean that would be a detail from 175 odd years ago, but six months is a little more concerning. Have you taken your pills today?http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/tru...
As for the Countdown's point,there is a wider concern that we respect the office, no matter the size of the s
thole occupying it, there was a before Trump & there will be an after. The office endures, all that changes is the crook in it.26th June, incidentally.
mx5nut said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson
And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
Boris really is a fraud:Boris said:
The US is the biggest single investor in the UK - yet Khan & Corbyn seem determined to put this crucial relationship at risk. We will not allow US-UK relations to be endangered by some puffed up pompous popinjay in City Hall.
Seems Boris is unhappy that our elected officials are not afraid to speak their minds.And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-joh...
Relationships between people and countries depend on the actions of those people and countries. If trump wants to be respected then he needs to behave in a manner that deserves respect. Nobody should be respected on the basis of who they are or the position they hold, only on the basis of what they do and say.
travel is dangerous said:
Relationships between people and countries depend on the actions of those people and countries. If trump wants to be respected then he needs to behave in a manner that deserves respect. Nobody should be respected on the basis of who they are or the position they hold, only on the basis of what they do and say.
It's an old cliche, but respect must be earned.
He simply hasn't earned any.
I like all the outrage from the right wing nutters about how we should be protecting our ‘special’ relationship.
We did not rescind any type of invitation. Trump himself cancelled the trip and whilst we all know why he did it, because his wafer thin skin can’t take it, he gave a different reason so who are we to beg him to reconsider?
The fact that he knows he is hated isn’t our problem. No one officially told him to stay away. He is the one pussying out.
He even tried to blame Obama like he does with everything
We did not rescind any type of invitation. Trump himself cancelled the trip and whilst we all know why he did it, because his wafer thin skin can’t take it, he gave a different reason so who are we to beg him to reconsider?
The fact that he knows he is hated isn’t our problem. No one officially told him to stay away. He is the one pussying out.
He even tried to blame Obama like he does with everything
mx5nut said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson
And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
It seems that Boris Johnson has causally forgotten his outspokenness against Trump back in 2015 before he became president: " I think he’s betraying a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States" and "The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.”Boris said:
The US is the biggest single investor in the UK - yet Khan & Corbyn seem determined to put this crucial relationship at risk. We will not allow US-UK relations to be endangered by some puffed up pompous popinjay in City Hall.
Seems Boris is unhappy that our elected officials are not afraid to speak their minds.And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
It's not like BJ to change his tune depending on what way the wind is blowing.
p1stonhead said:
I like all the outrage from the right wing nutters about how we should be protecting our ‘special’ relationship.
We did not rescind any type of invitation. Trump himself cancelled the trip and whilst we all know why he did it, because his wafer thin skin can’t take it, he gave a different reason so who are we to beg him to reconsider?
They're the same people who will tell you in the next breath that we can be perfectly successful "going it alone" on the world stage and don't need to work closely with any other country...We did not rescind any type of invitation. Trump himself cancelled the trip and whilst we all know why he did it, because his wafer thin skin can’t take it, he gave a different reason so who are we to beg him to reconsider?
But they're terrified of losing Trump's "support".
mx5nut said:
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson
And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
I have become a bit wary of posting opinions on the political threads but that is simply awful from Johnson. He is definitely taking lessons from the Trump/Bannon school of politics. Boris said:
The US is the biggest single investor in the UK - yet Khan & Corbyn seem determined to put this crucial relationship at risk. We will not allow US-UK relations to be endangered by some puffed up pompous popinjay in City Hall.
Seems Boris is unhappy that our elected officials are not afraid to speak their minds.And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
Eddie Strohacker said:
JagLover said:
The French made a fuss over him and gave him a lovely lunch on top the Eiffel tower. He cant even visit us because of the protests that would result
I could look the other way if you couldn't recall the date of George IV's death. I mean that would be a detail from 175 odd years ago, but six months is a little more concerning. Have you taken your pills today?JagLover said:
The Today programme said he had a successful trip to France, so if there were any protestors they were likely kept far away. Suggest you read other news sources than the rag the Independent has become.
OK, now you're a BBC fan, which must be a first. Looking past that, you think protesters would be allowed all over Don's motorcade here? Pull the other one, righty.P.s Those protests were carried in all credible news outlets. Implying they didn't really happen because I linked the independent is really shabby distortion of the kind, ooh I don't know, Donald Trump would try on.
Edited by Eddie Strohacker on Friday 12th January 15:07
Eric Mc said:
JagLover said:
Eric Mc said:
I'm just wondering is he on a one man mission to alienate ALL the allies of the US and cosy up to his best buddy Vlad?
Appears the only significant ally he isn't planning to visit is the UK k him - he decided to pull out anyway, not us refusing him - and after fifty odd years I've seen 'em come and I've seen 'em go, so happy to tread a bit of water for a change instead of playing billy big wheels and getting dragged into their shenanigans again.Eric Mc said:
mikal83 said:
Eric Mc said:
President Johnson is said to have misreported the designation of the RS-71 aircraft, calling it the SR-71 by mistake. Because he was the President, SR-71 became the official designation.
Nope, was changed b4 he made the speechNotwithstanding his reason was absolute bks in both reality and the fact it was even Obama; this was supposed to be ‘work’ for him, so what does his excuse say about him!
‘I’m not coming to work because the Obama before me did something I don’t like’
Don’t you sort of have a job to do Donald? Shouldn’t a job be something you do whether you want to or not?
Oh right I forgot, you think you are King of America.
ks in both reality and the fact it was even Obama; this was supposed to be ‘work’ for him, so what does his excuse say about him! ‘I’m not coming to work because the Obama before me did something I don’t like’
Don’t you sort of have a job to do Donald? Shouldn’t a job be something you do whether you want to or not?
Oh right I forgot, you think you are King of America.
mx5nut said:
Seems Boris is unhappy that our elected officials are not afraid to speak their minds.
And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
Both as bad as one another - using something unrelated to further their own domestic political agenda and suck up to their fans. Both should have had the dignity, good manners and common sense to have said nothing on the matter; neither interest is in this country, just themselves.And convinced that members of the minority opposition party have more power over our foreign affairs than himself, the Foreign Secretary in government.
minimoog said:
One of many such responses no doubt.
(I'm assuming this is real - I lifted it from what appears to be an official Botswana govt. twitter account, but who knows these days...)
Were it real, you'd have to assume that they know how to spell the name of their own country.(I'm assuming this is real - I lifted it from what appears to be an official Botswana govt. twitter account, but who knows these days...)
Edited by minimoog on Friday 12th January 14:35
paulguitar said:
I understand the point about 'tolerating him' for the sake of keeping everything placid, but I must confess to feeling rather proud of the UK that he would decide not to come here.
There will be some reckoning and soul-searching once this sorry episode is over, and I think there are some folks who supported Trump or even tolerated him who will come to be seen as having been VERY much on the wrong side of history.
Well that will be a question for American politicians and voters. It might be easy to miss, given how ubiquitous American media is over here, but our only interest is maintaining good relations with our closest ally and what treaties we wish to negotiate with them. There will be some reckoning and soul-searching once this sorry episode is over, and I think there are some folks who supported Trump or even tolerated him who will come to be seen as having been VERY much on the wrong side of history.
We seem to be able to maintain this distance with other national leaders. To take just one example we joined the Chinese led Asian Investment bank in order to keep them sweet. There wasn't any protest despite the fact that China is a repressive one party state.
Many other countries also seem quite able to both regard Trump as a rather dangerous idiot but also engage with him properly.
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