45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
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I just feel sorry for her. A beautiful lady, who married him before there was any suggestion that he might actually become POTUS and who is now rather stuck with him, regardless of whatever he says or does. Obviously she has access to money, status etc but that won't make her genuinely happy.
Robertj21a said:
I just feel sorry for her. A beautiful lady, who married him before there was any suggestion that he might actually become POTUS and who is now rather stuck with him, regardless of whatever he says or does. Obviously she has access to money, status etc but that won't make her genuinely happy.
I don't feel sorry for her, an obvious gold digger and I don't think she is beautiful at all, just full of botox and won't smile. The point could be made she has little to smile about, but she chose money to marry one of the most dodgy people on the planet.Robertj21a said:
I just feel sorry for her. A beautiful lady, who married him before there was any suggestion that he might actually become POTUS and who is now rather stuck with him, regardless of whatever he says or does. Obviously she has access to money, status etc but that won't make her genuinely happy.
I like the idea that a hapless ingenue blunders into marriage with a man who has literally been famous for thirty years & she didn't know what he was all about. Also, I have some beans you may be interested in buying.Byker28i said:
Trump wants to answer the questions by letter, in other words he wants the questions so he can get is legal team to answer.
Mueller will want to interview him, a little flattery and Trump won't help himself opening his big mouth.
Here's an interesting take on being interviewed by the FBI: https://www.popehat.com/2017/12/04/everybody-lies-...Mueller will want to interview him, a little flattery and Trump won't help himself opening his big mouth.
Trump won't stand a chance if he's answering on his own.
arfursleep said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not sure what Melania has to do with any of this to be honest.
You don't think that the wife of POTUS appearing to want nothing to do with POTUS isn't significant? I'd say it's pretty relevant to his state of mind and therefore his ability to lead, his decision making etc.
From a different perspective, it's just bad PR that the pair appear estranged. It didn't do the Clinton presidency, nor later life, any good.
I have no sympathy with Melania, if she didn't do the due diligence on him before marrying then tough as his behaviour was well known before they married. If she married him knowing what he was like then tough. I doubt she's being physically forcibly detained but a pre-nup may be constraining her departure in other ways.
arfursleep said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not sure what Melania has to do with any of this to be honest.
You don't think that the wife of POTUS appearing to want nothing to do with POTUS isn't significant? I'd say it's pretty relevant to his state of mind and therefore his ability to lead, his decision making etc.
From a different perspective, it's just bad PR that the pair appear estranged. It didn't do the Clinton presidency, nor later life, any good.
I have no sympathy with Melania, if she didn't do the due diligence on him before marrying then tough as his behaviour was well known before they married. If she married him knowing what he was like then tough. I doubt she's being physically forcibly detained but a pre-nup may be constraining her departure in other ways.
Basically, who knows how happily married they were before? There's obvious tension been present from the start. IMO Melania bought a ticket for a ride, the destination of which has taken a massive deviation she didn't expect. I don't know her or very much about her and I don't see her as accountable for his words or deed and she is no doubt on a very tight leash.
The reason why I think the focus shouldn't be on her is because it's Trump who is the issue and because it turns in to this:
paulguitar said:
I don't think she is beautiful at all, just full of botox and won't smile.
ferrisbueller said:
arfursleep said:
ferrisbueller said:
Not sure what Melania has to do with any of this to be honest.
You don't think that the wife of POTUS appearing to want nothing to do with POTUS isn't significant? I'd say it's pretty relevant to his state of mind and therefore his ability to lead, his decision making etc.
From a different perspective, it's just bad PR that the pair appear estranged. It didn't do the Clinton presidency, nor later life, any good.
I have no sympathy with Melania, if she didn't do the due diligence on him before marrying then tough as his behaviour was well known before they married. If she married him knowing what he was like then tough. I doubt she's being physically forcibly detained but a pre-nup may be constraining her departure in other ways.
Basically, who knows how happily married they were before? There's obvious tension been present from the start. IMO Melania bought a ticket for a ride, the destination of which has taken a massive deviation she didn't expect. I don't know her or very much about her and I don't see her as accountable for his words or deed and she is no doubt on a very tight leash.
The reason why I think the focus shouldn't be on her is because it's Trump who is the issue and because it turns in to this:
paulguitar said:
I don't think she is beautiful at all, just full of botox and won't smile.
Also she appears to have done very little in her role as the first lady. Look how busy and positive Michelle Obama was...! MO probably was rather reluctant about the job at first as well, but gave it 100% and did a lot of good work. What is Melania doing?
paulguitar said:
It is hard to have a whole load of sympathy or see her as a potential 'hero' as was suggested yesterday. She IS full of botox and seems very reluctant to smile, it is just a statement of the truth rather than being anything mean.
Also she appears to have done very little in her role as the first lady. Look how busy and positive Michelle Obama was...! MO probably was rather reluctant about the job at first as well, but gave it 100% and did a lot of good work. What is Melania doing?
She's not doing anything. If she was First Lady to a normal Presidency, if she'd rightly be getting some stick for that.Also she appears to have done very little in her role as the first lady. Look how busy and positive Michelle Obama was...! MO probably was rather reluctant about the job at first as well, but gave it 100% and did a lot of good work. What is Melania doing?
In this weird, horrible situation, I don't blame her whatsoever for keeping out of the way and putting on a brave face.
SpeckledJim said:
paulguitar said:
It is hard to have a whole load of sympathy or see her as a potential 'hero' as was suggested yesterday. She IS full of botox and seems very reluctant to smile, it is just a statement of the truth rather than being anything mean.
Also she appears to have done very little in her role as the first lady. Look how busy and positive Michelle Obama was...! MO probably was rather reluctant about the job at first as well, but gave it 100% and did a lot of good work. What is Melania doing?
She's not doing anything. If she was First Lady to a normal Presidency, if she'd rightly be getting some stick for that.Also she appears to have done very little in her role as the first lady. Look how busy and positive Michelle Obama was...! MO probably was rather reluctant about the job at first as well, but gave it 100% and did a lot of good work. What is Melania doing?
In this weird, horrible situation, I don't blame her whatsoever for keeping out of the way and putting on a brave face.
B'stard Child said:
ElectricSoup said:
paulguitar said:
I wonder if the USA will ever fully recover from the Trump disaster?
If one stands back and really tries to get a grip on how crazy this last year has been, it is barely believable. Scandal after scandal, the 'president' tweeting like a petulant teenager, payoffs to porn starts. It is quite hard to believe this is really happening. I feel sorry for the sensible folks there, their previously well-respected country hijacked by a lunatic 35% who STILL seem set on supporting him.
No need to feel bad for them, we're in the same boat after all, except it's a lunatic 37% who have hijacked our once-respected country.If one stands back and really tries to get a grip on how crazy this last year has been, it is barely believable. Scandal after scandal, the 'president' tweeting like a petulant teenager, payoffs to porn starts. It is quite hard to believe this is really happening. I feel sorry for the sensible folks there, their previously well-respected country hijacked by a lunatic 35% who STILL seem set on supporting him.
PS not 37% but if you want to distort the truth like Trump go for it
What I was hoping to illustrate is that both the UK and USA are being led in to disasters by a minority of their electorates, albeit a fairly bigly minority. Both countries evidently have problems with their electoral/democratic systems for these situations to arise where we are being forced through major upheaval by minority decision.
Edited by ElectricSoup on Wednesday 24th January 11:41
paulguitar said:
Yeah, fair enough. Must be rather more than she bargained for. The one I feel sorry for, genuinely, is Barron. That poor kid...
Yes, he's doomed to one of the weirdest lives you could imagine. If he's lucky his dad won't be around too much longer, and maybe his mum can bring things a bit closer to an even keel. Maybe.Very unlucky lad.
SpeckledJim said:
paulguitar said:
Yeah, fair enough. Must be rather more than she bargained for. The one I feel sorry for, genuinely, is Barron. That poor kid...
Yes, he's doomed to one of the weirdest lives you could imagine. If he's lucky his dad won't be around too much longer, and maybe his mum can bring things a bit closer to an even keel. Maybe.Very unlucky lad.
We know how much the donald loves his ratings
The US have dropped a place
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/370298...
The US have dropped a place
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/370298...
Mueller reportedly wants to question Trump on his decision to fire Comey and the departure of his former national security adviser Michael Flynn. This means he has him down on the obstruction charge, probably what sealed indictment #1 is, which will be his insurance policy against being fired.
The money laundering may take longer to put together, unless gates/Sater have handed over everything. They are allegedly talking.
The other sealed indictments must be sessions, kushner, trump jr, heavily implicated in the trump tower meeting, the sanctions relief talks etc.
Mueller wouldn't interview Trump until right at the end. He wouldn't want to show his hand until then, plus at which point it must increase his risk of Trump trying to fire him
The money laundering may take longer to put together, unless gates/Sater have handed over everything. They are allegedly talking.
The other sealed indictments must be sessions, kushner, trump jr, heavily implicated in the trump tower meeting, the sanctions relief talks etc.
Mueller wouldn't interview Trump until right at the end. He wouldn't want to show his hand until then, plus at which point it must increase his risk of Trump trying to fire him
ElectricSoup said:
37% of the electorate voted Leave. This is a different number to the 52% of those who voted, and should have been the significant number had Cameron not been complacent. Just to clarify and refute accusations of fake news and distortion, which it plainly isn't. I thought you were sharp enough to understand the difference. Never mind.
What I was hoping to illustrate is that both the UK and USA are being led in to disasters by a minority of their electorates, albeit a fairly bigly minority. Both countries evidently have problems with their electoral/democratic systems for these situations to arise where we are being forced through major upheaval by minority decision.
How would you fix it?What I was hoping to illustrate is that both the UK and USA are being led in to disasters by a minority of their electorates, albeit a fairly bigly minority. Both countries evidently have problems with their electoral/democratic systems for these situations to arise where we are being forced through major upheaval by minority decision.
Edited by ElectricSoup on Wednesday 24th January 11:41
I thin the outdated and anachronistic electoral college in the USA should be scrapped, that's any easy one for the USA< but how would you fix issues in the UK?
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