Spanish Police Response To The Terrorist Attacks In Spain
Discussion
John145 said:
HairyPoppins said:
rscott said:
HairyPoppins said:
Cold said:
Spanish police have shot someone believed to be the driver, with unconfirmed reports of another "mock suicide vest". Happened to the west of Barcelona.
Apparently he too wanted directions to Alan's Snackbarhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603
...it tickles a little so 
t they say.He could have meant it's boring, obvious and over-saturated; equivalent to '335D' / 'dominate the stairs' on here. If he did I'd happen to agree.
La Liga said:
John145 said:
HairyPoppins said:
rscott said:
HairyPoppins said:
Cold said:
Spanish police have shot someone believed to be the driver, with unconfirmed reports of another "mock suicide vest". Happened to the west of Barcelona.
Apparently he too wanted directions to Alan's Snackbarhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603
...it tickles a little so t they say.He could have meant it's boring, obvious and over-saturated; equivalent to '335D' / 'dominate the stairs' on here. If he did I'd happen to agree.
I don't think he did. Or surely he would have continued with 'I don't, I find it boring.'?
Perhaps he will let us know? (or perhaps not, now you've stood in for him).
Me?
It makes me despair that we shouldn't be able to laugh/mock/giggle at these demented, lowest of all low-life, scum.
Someone will be along in a mo and probably be offended that I've used the word demented.
dandarez said:
It makes me despair that we shouldn't be able to laugh/mock/giggle at these demented, lowest of all low-life, scum.
With you 100% on this one. Humour is the greatest antidote to despots/dictators/psychopathic zealots - take the piss out of them and they lose their mystique and are revealed as the pathetic nonentities they really are. Charlie Chaplin, Great Dictator etc.dandarez said:
Me?
It makes me despair that we shouldn't be able to laugh/mock/giggle at these demented, lowest of all low-life, scum.
I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. It makes me despair that we shouldn't be able to laugh/mock/giggle at these demented, lowest of all low-life, scum.
I agree we should laugh, but it's probably easier to when it's not the same unfunny, boring repetitive 'play on words' comment see on every thread related to Islam.
audidoody said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Hopefully not you.
You want a definition of a terrorist? Easy.Someone who commits an act of premeditated extreme violence against non-combatants in pursuit of a political or idealogical aim
At which point their human-f
king-rights cease to exist.Members of the French resistance, correctly IMHO honoured as heroic patriots fall neatly into that definition.
Wish things were that simple but treating the symptoms is never going to work and the more power we cede to the authorities, the more we lose of our way of life.
As far as officer numbers go we have more police officers than we had in the Eighties when they were dealing with an active IRA, football hooliganism on an unprecedented scale and a miners strike all at the same time.
Allowed to do their jobs they would probably cope easily but with the focus on a ten tear old being taken out of school by 2 officers for asking an arabic kid whether he wanted to be a terrorist when he grew up.
They aren't being allowed to perform what I and most of the people I know consider their basic duties.
dandarez said:
La Liga said:
John145 said:
HairyPoppins said:
rscott said:
HairyPoppins said:
Cold said:
Spanish police have shot someone believed to be the driver, with unconfirmed reports of another "mock suicide vest". Happened to the west of Barcelona.
Apparently he too wanted directions to Alan's Snackbarhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603
...it tickles a little so t they say.He could have meant it's boring, obvious and over-saturated; equivalent to '335D' / 'dominate the stairs' on here. If he did I'd happen to agree.
I don't think he did. Or surely he would have continued with 'I don't, I find it boring.'?
Perhaps he will let us know? (or perhaps not, now you've stood in for him).
Me?
It makes me despair that we shouldn't be able to laugh/mock/giggle at these demented, lowest of all low-life, scum.
Someone will be along in a mo and probably be offended that I've used the word demented.
It's not really doing a good job of mocking them either, considering that it's also commonly used by many Othodox Christians who speak Arabic.( maybe 2 million people..)
stitched said:
Not wishing to sound like a sympathiser but that definition covers the Dresden bombings, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and most certainly Hiroshima and Nagosaki.
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And the Blitz, don't forget that (it happened long before Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima) rather than just list 'our' atrocities. .
And then there is the old cliche; One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
My two memes of why we attack them, and why they attack us, were removed for 'trolling'. Though both gave a perfectly good description of why both sides think they are in the right.
King Herald said:
stitched said:
Not wishing to sound like a sympathiser but that definition covers the Dresden bombings, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and most certainly Hiroshima and Nagosaki.
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And the Blitz, don't forget that (it happened long before Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima) rather than just list 'our' atrocities. .
And then there is the old cliche; One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
My two memes of why we attack them, and why they attack us, were removed for 'trolling'. Though both gave a perfectly good description of why both sides think they are in the right.
I think the Dresden bombings and French resistance were necessary at the time, not sure anyone can actually argue in favour of the atom bombing of two mainly civilian areas.
Iraq and Afghanistan? I think they were unnecessary political attacks.
Point I was trying to make is that we need to address the fact that these people BELIEVE in what they are doing, a lot of them are kids FFS, as were a lot of the heroic pilots in WW2, indoctrinated, passionate and in their own eyes heroic kids.
Until we address that belief we are pissing in the wind as there is no shortage of fodder, we need to either generate understanding that our ways of doing things are better for all and use that youthful energy or ban Islam until it grows up.
Alternative is put up with an escalation of terror attacks across the western world.
Not liking option 3 but would really like to see a way to try option 1.
Regarding the officer that shot the 4 in Cambrils:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
andy_s said:
Regarding the officer that shot the 4 in Cambrils:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
Like to buy him a drink. Reports originally said the cop was a woman. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
Hope he gets a medal.
andy_s said:
Regarding the officer that shot the 4 in Cambrils:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
"It is understood he is now undergoing counselling with a psychologist, but has already expressed his desire to get back to work and continue with his role". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/20/hero-co...
Give over, he's a double hard b
d who clearly has a mindset for killing terrorists 
. Well done that man.RumbleOfThunder said:
Any police officers watching this. That's how you deal with moped gangs.
stitched said:
I was using 'our' atrocities deliberately to make the point.
I think the Dresden bombings and French resistance were necessary at the time, not sure anyone can actually argue in favour of the atom bombing of two mainly civilian areas.
Iraq and Afghanistan? I think they were unnecessary political attacks.
Point I was trying to make is that we need to address the fact that these people BELIEVE in what they are doing, a lot of them are kids FFS, as were a lot of the heroic pilots in WW2, indoctrinated, passionate and in their own eyes heroic kids.
Until we address that belief we are pissing in the wind as there is no shortage of fodder, we need to either generate understanding that our ways of doing things are better for all and use that youthful energy or ban Islam until it grows up.
Alternative is put up with an escalation of terror attacks across the western world.
Not liking option 3 but would really like to see a way to try option 1.
Ah, yes, I totally missed it. But I agree with everything you are saying. I think the Dresden bombings and French resistance were necessary at the time, not sure anyone can actually argue in favour of the atom bombing of two mainly civilian areas.
Iraq and Afghanistan? I think they were unnecessary political attacks.
Point I was trying to make is that we need to address the fact that these people BELIEVE in what they are doing, a lot of them are kids FFS, as were a lot of the heroic pilots in WW2, indoctrinated, passionate and in their own eyes heroic kids.
Until we address that belief we are pissing in the wind as there is no shortage of fodder, we need to either generate understanding that our ways of doing things are better for all and use that youthful energy or ban Islam until it grows up.
Alternative is put up with an escalation of terror attacks across the western world.
Not liking option 3 but would really like to see a way to try option 1.
The underlying cause of virtually ALL conflicts is business, money and power, and greed, and all that needs to change before the terrorist situation is going to get any better.
croyde said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Any police officers watching this. That's how you deal with moped gangs.
ts like this. A shame the fine upstanding British equivalent don't do the same.stitched said:
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I think the Dresden bombings and French resistance were necessary at the time, not sure anyone can actually argue in favour of the atom bombing of two mainly civilian areas.
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While I would say that no one can argue for the bombing of mainly civilian targets in any conflict, although you do so with Dresden, from an American point of view there was a certain logic to the nuclear attacks. There has been no counter argument to the suggestion that had the USA engaged in an island by island invasion of Japan there would have been many thousands of American casualties.I think the Dresden bombings and French resistance were necessary at the time, not sure anyone can actually argue in favour of the atom bombing of two mainly civilian areas.
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If you were in the position of the commander of that part of the war, what would your choice have been?
Oddly enough, there is general agreement that had the bombings not happened there would have been a greater loss of Japanese lives. Whilst Kyoto had been spared carpet bombing and nuclear attack, I doubt that would have extended to post invasion. Loss of life there would have been getting on for the total of Tokyo.
The attacks on Dresden did not have similar justification. In fact they were pointless from any military perspective, and cost the lives of allied airman for no reason. Sacrificed is the only word. My personal feeling is that I can see why the decision was made to bomb Japan with nuclear weapons. Dresden though was close to criminal. Some justification of the raid was based on the low number of allied casualties. Just a few airplanes and crews lost. That's all right then.
If that is a valid reason then what is the justification for the massive bombing raids late on in the war on well defended cities?
Are you suggesting there was something special about the attacks being nuclear? There is general agreement that there were more killed in the various bombing raids on Tokyo than either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. Some suggest that the total was greater than the total killed in both raids.
Back to Germany, there were well over half a million, some suggest many more than that, civilians killed in the bombing of Germany.
Whilst history changes on a daily basis, there were arguments that the carpet bombing of German towns, particularly Berlin, was all but a defeat for the allied bombing. If you worked out the tactical and strategic benefits of the bombing and then work out the costs, there's a degree of logic to it.
Slaughterhouse Five is well worth a read. It is, of course, anecdotal, but the author was there. It's horrific. It also contradicts the official, or at least accepted, versions of the casualty figures.
What we can't do is judge the decision makers without knowing the pressures on them, their fears and their information. For the nuclear bombs, the desire to limit the loss of American lives must have been tremendous. With thousands of soldiers killed in the battle for Iwo Jima, and a higher number injured, I sympathise with the decision makers. 100,000 dead in Tokyo did not end the war.
Dresden? The arguments for it came after the end of the war. At the time the reaction was so great that Churchill decided to abandon Harris and suggest it was nothing to do with him. He later had to retract the accusations due to political pressure, but the damage to Harris was done. Many feel it was justified.
Tom Logan said:
Definitely, the Spanish police don't play around with tts like this. A shame the fine upstanding British equivalent don't do the same.
Perhaps the Spanish police officer who drove his car into the motorcyclist knew he would not be disciplined afterwards. Maybe being suspended for years and then taken to court to face, perhaps, a murder or manslaughter charge was not on the cards. ts like this. A shame the fine upstanding British equivalent don't do the same.Perhaps, too, there aren't the number of keyboard warriors who criticise their force on a daily basis.
croyde said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Any police officers watching this. That's how you deal with moped gangs.
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