Cromer in lockdown
Discussion
KTF said:
At the annual local 'horse fair', pubs within a 5 mile or so radius are advised to close as there isn't enough Police available to deal with the issues that the numerical locksmiths create.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/people/landlady-t...
That has been pretty rough as long as I've known it though!http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/people/landlady-t...
TTwiggy said:
What guide? There is no guide! Do you think Murdoch's journalists are fervent lefties?
That's always the blag. Read those papers and you'll note they flirt around the edges but a hit piece on a sensitive issue is always an "opinion" like the Labour MP for Rotherham who got trashed. Not that SHE got trashed and not the Sun. Chest Rockwell said:
TTwiggy said:
What guide? There is no guide! Do you think Murdoch's journalists are fervent lefties?
That's always the blag. Read those papers and you'll note they flirt around the edges but a hit piece on a sensitive issue is always an "opinion" like the Labour MP for Rotherham who got trashed. Not that SHE got trashed and not the Sun. TTwiggy said:
Chest Rockwell said:
TTwiggy said:
That's quite some paranoia you're developing there.
Nope, just not keen on your dismissive attitude when it comes to facts,TTwiggy said:
Chest Rockwell said:
TTwiggy said:
What guide? There is no guide! Do you think Murdoch's journalists are fervent lefties?
That's always the blag. Read those papers and you'll note they flirt around the edges but a hit piece on a sensitive issue is always an "opinion" like the Labour MP for Rotherham who got trashed. Not that SHE got trashed and not the Sun. dandarez said:
"Note to editors: The rape reported in Cromer on Friday night is not being linked to these incidents"
Several possibilities:
1) Preliminary inquiries show the offenders definitely weren't of a type causing the disturbance
2) The offenders were likely the same type of people but they don't want to stir things right now
3) They have no idea at all and therefore can't link them
Chest Rockwell said:
Yes, the proof is on the TV and in the newspapers everyday. People on this thread who have read the guidelines will now notice what's going on. Why are you so upset?
I'm not upset. I'm concerned about your sanity but I'm not upset.Are you claiming there's some sort of guide that tells me, as a journalist, what and how I should write about any possible subject that I might be asked to tackle?
How many pages does this tome run to?
KTF said:
The 'community' would be on their phones within seconds calling up all their friends to assist with this issue. The Police would not know what hit them and there would be an absolute riot and injuries on both sides.
Would you want to be the person who gives the ok for that?
Oh !!!! so its ok feral scum can do as they like then , just the sort of hand wringing crap that has Would you want to be the person who gives the ok for that?
allowed this , I would come down so hard with as many police as it took for a 2 to 1 ratio and every man, woman and child would be finger printed DNA swabed and any assets checked their feet woudent touch the ground if they had committed even the most minor infraction ...
Gareth79 said:
dandarez said:
"Note to editors: The rape reported in Cromer on Friday night is not being linked to these incidents"Several possibilities:
1) Preliminary inquiries show the offenders definitely weren't of a type causing the disturbance
2) The offenders were likely the same type of people but they don't want to stir things right now
3) They have no idea at all and therefore can't link them
From the police.
Note to editors:
The rape reported in Cromer on Friday night is not being linked to these incidents
We can confirm no arrests have been made.
Over new year 2000 these traveller scum descended on my town in hordes and the whole place had to shut down.
New Years Eve is the biggest night of the year for pubs, clubs and restaurants and most just had to write off the biggest weekend of the year.
Everything you read concerning their behaviour is true, thieving kids, thieving adults, defecating in the street, ruining car parks with fires, leaving tons of debris everywhere, bare knuckle fighting, trashing pubs, shops and restaurants, all done with complete impunity.
They have returned occasionally since then in lesser numbers, with similar behaviour.
Last year a few of these with Irish plates arrived at local touring caravan sites, setting up, then asking for a ransom to move on. Anyone who resists has their place trashed, landowners dare not evict them or gang up and use violence because next year they find their property torched, travellers have long memories.
The police are powerless, the local authorities take a week to sort out the paperwork by which time the travellers have moved on.
When the Brexit vote came in I thought that at least now we could stop a lot of these people at the border but it looks like thats not going to happen.
These people are not a race, they are just opportunist lawless anarchists who have no place in any country. They contribute nothing to society yet use our facilities for free, taking anything they can get.
What really riles me is the way they can drive about in unregistered, untaxed, uninsured possibly stolen vehicles, surely the way to discourage them, is to seize, immobilise or destroy their vehicles, it would be pretty messy at first but they should get the message, its hard to be a traveller with no vehicle or caravan.
New Years Eve is the biggest night of the year for pubs, clubs and restaurants and most just had to write off the biggest weekend of the year.
Everything you read concerning their behaviour is true, thieving kids, thieving adults, defecating in the street, ruining car parks with fires, leaving tons of debris everywhere, bare knuckle fighting, trashing pubs, shops and restaurants, all done with complete impunity.
They have returned occasionally since then in lesser numbers, with similar behaviour.
Last year a few of these with Irish plates arrived at local touring caravan sites, setting up, then asking for a ransom to move on. Anyone who resists has their place trashed, landowners dare not evict them or gang up and use violence because next year they find their property torched, travellers have long memories.
The police are powerless, the local authorities take a week to sort out the paperwork by which time the travellers have moved on.
When the Brexit vote came in I thought that at least now we could stop a lot of these people at the border but it looks like thats not going to happen.
These people are not a race, they are just opportunist lawless anarchists who have no place in any country. They contribute nothing to society yet use our facilities for free, taking anything they can get.
What really riles me is the way they can drive about in unregistered, untaxed, uninsured possibly stolen vehicles, surely the way to discourage them, is to seize, immobilise or destroy their vehicles, it would be pretty messy at first but they should get the message, its hard to be a traveller with no vehicle or caravan.
Wiccan of Darkness said:
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining it. If you were at the beeb then, care to share any other nuggets of information, such as whether a political bias really does exist?
Interesting about the NUJ guidelines, when did they come in to force? Reason I ask is as a student I worked in a local pizza shop. We had the lowdown on pretty much everything that went on in our pokey little town. One Monday night, Woollies got held up and the takings from friday through to monday were nicked. Assailants were armed with automatics, and sprayed bullets everywhere.
Not a sausage in the local rag, not even an acknowledgement on the extra police swarming all over the town.
Thanks for the NUJ link though. I've been perplexed for a long time why my local rag never reports any of the serious stuff that goes on in this quiet, sleepy retirement town. A tree falling down made the front page once, as did a missing cat.
Nuggets about the BBC? LOL...the only one you need to know is that they think they know better than you. You musn't be allowed to get ideas above your station but you need to keep paying up. Sky, ITV and C4 all follow the BBC hence why journos jump between them. All of them have the same message that is "diversity". That's it really. At the momemt, they're working on reversing Brexit although the Trump win took the wind out their sails. A lot of good conservative people there who keep their heads down, but mainly careerists.Interesting about the NUJ guidelines, when did they come in to force? Reason I ask is as a student I worked in a local pizza shop. We had the lowdown on pretty much everything that went on in our pokey little town. One Monday night, Woollies got held up and the takings from friday through to monday were nicked. Assailants were armed with automatics, and sprayed bullets everywhere.
Not a sausage in the local rag, not even an acknowledgement on the extra police swarming all over the town.
Thanks for the NUJ link though. I've been perplexed for a long time why my local rag never reports any of the serious stuff that goes on in this quiet, sleepy retirement town. A tree falling down made the front page once, as did a missing cat.
Basically, they hate you, hate this country and hate the country's history. Everything must be changed, and forever, I was surprised to see a few directors I know from there openly talking about the Brexit "fightback" on Twitter. They're getting very brazen now.
I'm practically too despondent at the unending (and I'm pretty certain, albeit without factual substantiation, massively growing) issue of "travellers" to post. I could write the next 5 pages of this thread. Read the Travellers thread in the Lounge.
Ok, nobody is going to deny the right-leaning tendencies of PH, but everyone, EVERYONE who I speak to about this problem wants it removed from society. Right down to little old ladies who wouldn't swat a bluebottle.
I've even had a police officer tell me that the only way we would properly stop them invading our village would be to take very direct action. He mentioned some very specific options. Guess who'd get nicked and put away though.
The thing is, the police have a range of simple basic options which would low-level put a spanner in their works. For example, drive across the village green, get a S.59. Drive back off the green, S.59 enforced and you lose the vehicle. And b
ks to all this "oh but then the poor wee babbies wouldn't have a home". Yes they would, back in Eire where they should be made to fk off to.
I can't see how anyone with the means will ever have the will to make this scourge go away. And it's just getting much much worse.
Ok, nobody is going to deny the right-leaning tendencies of PH, but everyone, EVERYONE who I speak to about this problem wants it removed from society. Right down to little old ladies who wouldn't swat a bluebottle.
SlimJim16v said:
You can't allow rioting, which is what this is, to carry on with impunity.
Unless they're "travellers". In which case, crack on with impunity, because you are to all legal intents and purposes untouchable. I've even had a police officer tell me that the only way we would properly stop them invading our village would be to take very direct action. He mentioned some very specific options. Guess who'd get nicked and put away though.
The thing is, the police have a range of simple basic options which would low-level put a spanner in their works. For example, drive across the village green, get a S.59. Drive back off the green, S.59 enforced and you lose the vehicle. And b
ks to all this "oh but then the poor wee babbies wouldn't have a home". Yes they would, back in Eire where they should be made to fk off to. I can't see how anyone with the means will ever have the will to make this scourge go away. And it's just getting much much worse.
Local Authorities taking soft options....my one(Hunts DC) have just brought in a rule where you can be fined £100 for "not having a dog waste bag or equipment to collect...." if in control of a dog in any public space(so that's not for not picking up, it's before something could even have happened, so just putting the dog in the car on the street for instance). And yet they never, ever, fine or pursue certain groups. I really feel for Cromer, the residents and the families all on hols up there - that is not what you expect in lovely, sleep north Norfolk 
CAPP0 said:
I can't see how anyone with the means will ever have the will to make this scourge go away. And it's just getting much much worse.
Remember how David Cameron referred to the Calais illegals as "swarms"? Yeah, the media shut him down in no time. A week later he was pro-migrants and we had to let a ton of them in...of who turned out to be 40 year old "children".Nothing will be done until the media has been sorted out. Either it's for the good of the country and its people or it is not. The will to deal with issues, like what's happening in Cromer is there, but the fear of the media is holding it back.
The media should be getting behind the local people 100% but instead they adopt this fence sitting "we occupy the moral high ground" attitude, apparently called "impartiality".
Not sure it's anything to do with Eire
Is this relevant from a couple of days ago
https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/bus...
Is this relevant from a couple of days ago
https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/bus...
Chest Rockwell said:
CAPP0 said:
I can't see how anyone with the means will ever have the will to make this scourge go away. And it's just getting much much worse.
Remember how David Cameron referred to the Calais illegals as "swarms"? Yeah, the media shut him down in no time. A week later he was pro-migrants and we had to let a ton of them in...of who turned out to be 40 year old "children".Nothing will be done until the media has been sorted out. Either it's for the good of the country and its people or it is not. The will to deal with issues, like what's happening in Cromer is there, but the fear of the media is holding it back.
The media should be getting behind the local people 100% but instead they adopt this fence sitting "we occupy the moral high ground" attitude, apparently called "impartiality".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802550/Tr...
and more local to me
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15444858.Travel...
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15431365.Farmer...
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/15339503.PICTUR...
The basic issue seems to be lack of adequate police numbers to deal with them. Clearing 20-30 vans off a site (so 100 or so people) would need at least 100 officers if it kicked off and they're simply not available.
I'd agree more use of S59s would make sense. Possibly a change in the law allowing vehicles to be seized if they can be shown to have gained access to land via criminal damage (as per one of the recent cases here in Essex where they were known to have cut a padlock).
Chest Rockwell said:
Nuggets about the BBC? LOL...the only one you need to know is that they think they know better than you. You musn't be allowed to get ideas above your station but you need to keep paying up. Sky, ITV and C4 all follow the BBC hence why journos jump between them. All of them have the same message that is "diversity". That's it really. At the momemt, they're working on reversing Brexit although the Trump win took the wind out their sails. A lot of good conservative people there who keep their heads down, but mainly careerists.
Basically, they hate you, hate this country and hate the country's history. Everything must be changed, and forever, I was surprised to see a few directors I know from there openly talking about the Brexit "fightback" on Twitter. They're getting very brazen now.
You're actually barking! Sky follow the BBC? Murdoch's aim is to shut the BBC down. You have no idea what you're talking about you massive loon.Basically, they hate you, hate this country and hate the country's history. Everything must be changed, and forever, I was surprised to see a few directors I know from there openly talking about the Brexit "fightback" on Twitter. They're getting very brazen now.
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