Government orders crackdown on car and van hire rentals.
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
Yep - instant experts. We have plenty here on PH.
They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll go to autotrader & buy a cheap one to use.They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll hire a man-with-van for the day & he'll be the first one to die before I load the van with explosives.
They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll hire a minibus and spraypaint the insides of the windows.
I don't think a huge amount of expertise is necessary to see how stupid the 'solution' is.
Rovinghawk said:
Eric Mc said:
Yep - instant experts. We have plenty here on PH.
They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll go to autotrader & buy a cheap one to use.They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll hire a man-with-van for the day & he'll be the first one to die before I load the van with explosives.
They've stopped me hiring a van- I'll hire a minibus and spraypaint the insides of the windows.
I don't think a huge amount of expertise is necessary to see how stupid the 'solution' is.
I assume as you have criticised so much you have a better solution, if so I suggest putting in writing to your MP...
Except their suggestion does nothing to even mildly impede these attacks.
It's only because the people doing the attacks are so thick that someone would even think this could work.
After all it's hardly a stretch to steal a van or truck, or just buy or borrow one. A creative sort might even realise they could acquire a truck ready loaded with cylinders of all sorts of interesting gases if they put 20 seconds of effort in.
Let's face it there are all sorts of daily criminal enterprise which could be sorted with less effort applied in the right area but they'd rather waste time on worthless bureaucracy ' bcoz terrism innit'.
It's only because the people doing the attacks are so thick that someone would even think this could work.
After all it's hardly a stretch to steal a van or truck, or just buy or borrow one. A creative sort might even realise they could acquire a truck ready loaded with cylinders of all sorts of interesting gases if they put 20 seconds of effort in.
Let's face it there are all sorts of daily criminal enterprise which could be sorted with less effort applied in the right area but they'd rather waste time on worthless bureaucracy ' bcoz terrism innit'.
It's not even that it won't work, in some ways it's actually counter-productive:
- The terrorist will have to use a more security aware way of getting one, making it harder to detect.
- As the terrorist isn't now limited by showing his driving licence class and he has to 'finesse' a vehicle anyway then he is more likely to get a more efficient one for his purpose.
- You've closed off an opportunity of interception at hire in a more covert way.
- Budgets are fixed so this will drain resources away from more useful endeavour.
Megaflow said:
Before the Barcelona thread was closed people were asking what could be done to prevent these attacks. The government have a suggestion.
A bloody stupid suggestion, but yes- a suggestion.Megaflow said:
I assume as you have criticised so much you have a better solution, if so I suggest putting in writing to your MP...
Maybe get the list of people under the gaze of the security services and actually do something with that list?
Tom Logan said:
What a load of old cock.
Where where the sanctions when 'certain sections of the community' were hiring cars/vans for the sole purpose of crash for cash scams?
In my neck of the woods you can't now hire a van for love nor money if you're a private individual.
Where is 'your neck of the woods' , please?Where where the sanctions when 'certain sections of the community' were hiring cars/vans for the sole purpose of crash for cash scams?
In my neck of the woods you can't now hire a van for love nor money if you're a private individual.
Jonesy23 said:
Except their suggestion does nothing to even mildly impede these attacks.
It's only because the people doing the attacks are so thick that someone would even think this could work.
After all it's hardly a stretch to steal a van or truck, or just buy or borrow one. A creative sort might even realise they could acquire a truck ready loaded with cylinders of all sorts of interesting gases if they put 20 seconds of effort in.
Let's face it there are all sorts of daily criminal enterprise which could be sorted with less effort applied in the right area but they'd rather waste time on worthless bureaucracy ' bcoz terrism innit'.
Absolutely. Its a bit like hearing government people talk about computer stuff - you have to assume there are people with half a clue, but they're obviously not in charge because the idiocy that comes out is so half witted.It's only because the people doing the attacks are so thick that someone would even think this could work.
After all it's hardly a stretch to steal a van or truck, or just buy or borrow one. A creative sort might even realise they could acquire a truck ready loaded with cylinders of all sorts of interesting gases if they put 20 seconds of effort in.
Let's face it there are all sorts of daily criminal enterprise which could be sorted with less effort applied in the right area but they'd rather waste time on worthless bureaucracy ' bcoz terrism innit'.
So we've now had some scrotes hiring vans. Let's make van hire really hard for everyone, so that the scrotes have to do something else. Ultimately, they will go round at night knifing people individually. I'd guess anyone half capable could murder 30 people quietly wandering around at night. I've always wondered why they don't pop a petrol tanker on their upslope of a long tunnel. Let's ban petrol, knives, things that can make knives, cars, lorries ... everything.
Or we could just admit that in a free society there is sod all we can do if some elements of that society want to murder other people.
Of course one should never think of the government as stupid. Their true motives are elsewhere on this I think.
Still nothing concrete from the Prime Minister after her enough is enough speech, unless the censoring of the report in to the Saudis can be counted as doing something. Oh I have no intention to make this party specific, I have no doubt the other side would try the same.
Still nothing concrete from the Prime Minister after her enough is enough speech, unless the censoring of the report in to the Saudis can be counted as doing something. Oh I have no intention to make this party specific, I have no doubt the other side would try the same.
RedTrident said:
Of course one should never think of the government as stupid. Their true motives are elsewhere on this I think.
Still nothing concrete from the Prime Minister after her enough is enough speech, unless the censoring of the report in to the Saudis can be counted as doing something. Oh I have no intention to make this party specific, I have no doubt the other side would try the same.
She still hasn't addressed the whole issue of why we were facilitating Brits to go and fight for Libyan jihadis in 2011. She was Home Secretary back then she must have signed off on the plan.Still nothing concrete from the Prime Minister after her enough is enough speech, unless the censoring of the report in to the Saudis can be counted as doing something. Oh I have no intention to make this party specific, I have no doubt the other side would try the same.
And absolutely nothing about foreign funding of U.K. mosques and religious schools.
All we hear from the PM post terror incidents is "internet companies have to do more", she's obsessed with the bloody internet.
And once the terrorists realise that people are suspicious of vans, they'll just start buying cheap people carriers or SUVs from backstreet car dealers.
Stick on tints on the rear/side windows and no-one can see what's in the back. Then you've got big load space and pretty decent performance as well.
Stick on tints on the rear/side windows and no-one can see what's in the back. Then you've got big load space and pretty decent performance as well.
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