Transgender schooling row

[catso]

JagLover said:

Six is far too young for this nonsense.

Indeed, a six year old child doesn't make gender/sexuality decisions, it's parents do.

[TooMany2cvs]

Smiler. said:

The article of R4 this morning stated that the child in question would dress as either a girl or a boy, depending upon what gender they identified with that day.,

That could be very disruptive amongst the other 6 year old children in the class.

Would it be similarly disruptive for a girl to come school in trousers one day and a skirt the next?

[irocfan]

well seeing as dresses and trousers are a societal construct you do have a wonder a little about what is going on. At that age I wasn't even aware that I had plumbing so to speak so how someone can state at age 6 that they know their plumbing is 'wrong' is interesting.

With the above being said it does strike me that the parents who want to pull their child out of school are maybe being a little less than Christian

[SantaBarbara]

irocfan said:

well seeing as dresses and trousers are a societal construct you do have a wonder a little about what is going on. At that age I wasn't even aware that I had plumbing so to speak so how someone can state at age 6 that they know their plumbing is 'wrong' is interesting.

With the above being said it does strike me that the parents who want to pull their child out of school are maybe being a little less than Christian

I do not think it has anything to do with "plumbing " as you so delicately put it.
It's what th brain thinks I imagine

[Johnnytheboy]

Seems pretty tame for the Isle of Wight.

[TooMany2cvs]

SantaBarbara said:

I do not think it has anything to do with "plumbing " as you so delicately put it.
It's what th brain thinks I imagine

Yup.

There are genuine intersex "plumbing" issues - which, of course, shoots down the "But there's only two genders" argument.

[carreauchompeur]

I don't agree with the parents taking their kid out of school because of it... ridiculous notions about 'catching gay' and all but...

I think we're going too far with this 'letting kids choose' lark. I mean, gender neutrality in play and dress is fine, but what really are the chances of both children coincidentally having been born in the wrong bodies? I suspect parental imprinting.

[Johnnytheboy]

TooMany2cvs said:

Yup.

There are genuine intersex "plumbing" issues - which, of course, shoots down the "But there's only two genders" argument.

I wonder what percentage of people that define themselves as other than cisgender male/female this actually affects, and how many are just males or females whose brains are telling them they aren't?

[Randy Winkman]

Dazed and Confused said:

To have convinced yourself you were born in the wrong body, and be allowed to think that by your parents suggests a certain mental fragility all round.

Is that how thinking works?

[Sheetmaself]

ZedLeg said:

Pesty said:

Those parents are idiots

And also the parents of the other 6yo

That is too young to decide they want to be a different gender. Just let kids be and stop,forcing st on them.

and how is letting the kid dress how they want not letting them be a kid?

Completely agree, not a parent myself but surely stoping the child from dressing how they want is "forcing st on them" no?

Only way to let nature take its course as it were would be to not make anything from it, let the kid chose, wait and see where it leads.

[Dazed and Confused]

Randy Winkman said:

Dazed and Confused said:

To have convinced yourself you were born in the wrong body, and be allowed to think that by your parents suggests a certain mental fragility all round.

Is that how thinking works?

Hey?

So people can actually be born into the wrong body? Did God create a girl when it should have been a boy.

I had no idea.

[JagLover]

Smiler. said:

The article of R4 this morning stated that the child in question would dress as either a girl or a boy, depending upon what gender they identified with that day.,

That could be very disruptive amongst the other 6 year old children in the class.


What I find most disappointing about what I've seen on this so far is the bile, hate & instant witch hunt spewing forth.

There's a certain hypocrisy in people wading in on one person's perspective whilst demanding they respect a different one.

If these parents are to see things from the other side, how successful is this tactic likely to be.

They displayed none of the vitriol poured out upon them by the vocalists whilst explaining their position on the radio.

Is this how it is now?

So as many suspected, attention seeking nonsense encouraged by the parents.

[catso]

Nanook said:

Can you imagine what a little dick they'd grow up to be, without a bit of discipline and a few rules?

Don't need to imagine, they're amongst us.

A bit of discipline never hurt anyone.

[amusingduck]

TooMany2cvs said:

SantaBarbara said:

I do not think it has anything to do with "plumbing " as you so delicately put it.
It's what th brain thinks I imagine

Yup.

There are genuine intersex "plumbing" issues - which, of course, shoots down the "But there's only two genders" argument..

No it doesn't. Sex is not gender.

Edited by amusingduck on Monday 11th September 15:08

[TooMany2cvs]

Nanook said:

Where do you draw the line? Do you let your kid go to school in their PJs? Or a Chewbacca onesie?

Do you let them wear their football strip to a wedding?

The child in question is wearing the school uniform, AIUI.

[Murph7355]

Nanook said:

Sheetmaself said:

Completely agree, not a parent myself but surely stoping the child from dressing how they want is "forcing st on them" no?

Where do you draw the line? Do you let your kid go to school in their PJs? Or a Chewbacca onesie?

Do you let them wear their football strip to a wedding?

I'm not big on authority. I dislike being told what to do. But sometimes, it's required. imagine letting your kid do whatever they wanted, all the time, to avoid being accused of "forcing st on them"

Can you imagine what a little dick they'd grow up to be, without a bit of discipline and a few rules?

He doesn't have kids so won't know

I suspect the "problem" is that if a school has a uniform policy (my kid's school does) it will likely have a boy's list and a girl's list (ditto). The current drum banging on gender neutrality would ask why boys aren't allowed to wear stuff off the other list and vv. The wider argument being that these are entirely societal constructs and they are unfair on those who don't want to conform (I suspect no matter why it might be that they don't want to conform).

I think I'm generally pretty "live and let live" in most respects, but here I have some conflicts.

As you note, I think kids need some structure. I'm also not convinced any kid at the ages being talked about really know what they want or the consequences of those actions. So I'd class dresses for boys in the same way as the other outfits they're not allowed to wear at school - ie not in school, but if you want to everywhere else then so be it.

I'm not sure what age that should stop though. Or even if it should stop. Comes back to how big the problem genuinely is that the recent focus on gender topics is highlighting.

[ZedLeg]

Nanook said:

Sheetmaself said:

Completely agree, not a parent myself but surely stoping the child from dressing how they want is "forcing st on them" no?

Where do you draw the line? Do you let your kid go to school in their PJs? Or a Chewbacca onesie?

Do you let them wear their football strip to a wedding?

I'm not big on authority. I dislike being told what to do. But sometimes, it's required. imagine letting your kid do whatever they wanted, all the time, to avoid being accused of "forcing st on them"

Can you imagine what a little dick they'd grow up to be, without a bit of discipline and a few rules?

None of that is the same thing.

As long as they're wearing school uniform, what difference does it make whether they wear a skirt of trousers?

[ZedLeg]

I just don't really agree with arbitrary classification. There are good reasons for school uniforms (even if some schools try and take the piss).

There isn't (imo) a good reason why there must be this breakdown of one group must wear trousers and another group must wear skirts, there can only be those two groups and never the twain should meet.

[amusingduck]

ZedLeg said:

I just don't really agree with arbitrary classification. There are good reasons for school uniforms (even if some schools try and take the piss).

There isn't (imo) a good reason why there must be this breakdown of one group must wear trousers and another group must wear skirts, there can only be those two groups and never the twain should meet.

Easy solution. Grey boiler suits for all. They're hardwearing, cheap, and it doesn't matter if they get dirty. Plus, you can't really make a statement with your outfit if everyone is wearing boiler suits!

I can't see how anyone could be bullied for having the "wrong" boiler suit

[wiggy001]

I wonder if these kids (the ones with the gender issues):

1. Have common names such as James or Rebecca?
2. Have conservative-voting parents?
3. Have meat-eating parents?
4. Have parents that read the Telegraph?

Just guessing at the stereotype...