Transgender schooling row

[Hayek]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Murph7355 said:

The idea of grey boiler suits adorned with numbers so we don't have to reference people by gender or name is starting to look attractive....and not just for schools

Ahh yes, late 1940s Gulag style attire.
It will be all the rage again soon enough I suspect.

And numbers don't Have gender (yet) as far as I am aware.

Odd numbers are masculine, even numbers are feminine.

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fps...
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/a...

[shakotan]

ciege said:

I'm an active Christian - they are idiots and make a mockery of my faith...

What's wrong with talking to their children about people being different...

And excepting them...

And - wait for it - treating others as they would want to be treated....!!!!

Jesus made it easy and distilled 10 rules into two - they still fail on 50% of them!

Dummies - burn the witches!

They are excepting them, that's the issue.

I suspect you mean accepting.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Hayek said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Murph7355 said:

The idea of grey boiler suits adorned with numbers so we don't have to reference people by gender or name is starting to look attractive....and not just for schools

Ahh yes, late 1940s Gulag style attire.
It will be all the rage again soon enough I suspect.

And numbers don't Have gender (yet) as far as I am aware.

Odd numbers are masculine, even numbers are feminine.

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fps...
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/a...

oh ffs, I just knew it was too good to have stayed true.

Well, that's it then.

'comrade' it must be

bolshoe spasibo

[amusingduck]

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Hayek said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Murph7355 said:

The idea of grey boiler suits adorned with numbers so we don't have to reference people by gender or name is starting to look attractive....and not just for schools

Ahh yes, late 1940s Gulag style attire.
It will be all the rage again soon enough I suspect.

And numbers don't Have gender (yet) as far as I am aware.

Odd numbers are masculine, even numbers are feminine.

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fps...
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/a...

oh ffs, I just knew it was too good to have stayed true.

Well, that's it then.

'comrade' it must be

bolshoe spasibo

comrade
ˈkɒmreɪd/Submit
noun
(among men) a colleague or a fellow member of an organization.
"an old college comrade"
synonyms: companion, friend; More

[StottyGTR]

I predict we're going to see lots of about turns from transgender kids in the future. Possibly people changing their gender and back every few years too.

I struggle to put this into words but what confuses me the most about this is that gender is a social/cultural construct and not to do with biology. So a tom boy was a girl who acted like what society construes as a boy, my mother way a tom boy until 16+ this has always been the case and as far as I'm aware nobody had/has a problem with it. Now, if a girl associates with boys more and acts like what society expects from a boy, why would they need to delay puberty/undergo gender reassignment with hormones and surgery etc. Why don't they just grow up as a girl who does activities that are usually undertaken by boys? Or vica versa. I don't understand why the hormone replacement therapy and surgery has to come into it, or why they have to pick a gender.

If anything this seems to polarise boys/girls more than before, it accepts that socially they're are different expectations for boys/girls.

[TooMany2cvs]

StottyGTR said:

I predict we're going to see lots of about turns from transgender kids in the future. Possibly people changing their gender and back every few years too.

<shrug> Will that be a problem - for them? It certainly doesn't affect anybody else...

StottyGTR said:

I don't understand why the hormone replacement therapy and surgery has to come into it

It doesn't.

[StottyGTR]

TooMany2cvs said:

StottyGTR said:

I predict we're going to see lots of about turns from transgender kids in the future. Possibly people changing their gender and back every few years too.

<shrug> Will that be a problem - for them? It certainly doesn't affect anybody else...

StottyGTR said:

I don't understand why the hormone replacement therapy and surgery has to come into it

It doesn't.

So what's this all about then? I genuinely don't get it, although I do fear admitting so because I expect an attack of unprecedented proportions calling me a transphobe. I don't often have the same problem when I admit to not understanding other things, but hey ho.

[otolith]

StottyGTR said:

I struggle to put this into words but what confuses me the most about this is that gender is a social/cultural construct and not to do with biology. So a tom boy was a girl who acted like what society construes as a boy, my mother way a tom boy until 16+ this has always been the case and as far as I'm aware nobody had/has a problem with it. Now, if a girl associates with boys more and acts like what society expects from a boy, why would they need to delay puberty/undergo gender reassignment with hormones and surgery etc. Why don't they just grow up as a girl who does activities that are usually undertaken by boys? Or vica versa. I don't understand why the hormone replacement therapy and surgery has to come into it, or why they have to pick a gender.

If anything this seems to polarise boys/girls more than before, it accepts that socially they're are different expectations for boys/girls.

This idea - that a person can be born with a male or female brain that doesn't match the configuration of the rest of their body - is causing some cognitive dissonance in more fundamentalist gender feminists who assert that there is no such thing as a male or female brain while still trying to be supportive of trans people.

[Goaty Bill 2]

amusingduck said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Hayek said:

Goaty Bill 2 said:

Murph7355 said:

The idea of grey boiler suits adorned with numbers so we don't have to reference people by gender or name is starting to look attractive....and not just for schools

Ahh yes, late 1940s Gulag style attire.
It will be all the rage again soon enough I suspect.

And numbers don't Have gender (yet) as far as I am aware.

Odd numbers are masculine, even numbers are feminine.

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fps...
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/a...

oh ffs, I just knew it was too good to have stayed true.

Well, that's it then.

'comrade' it must be

bolshoe spasibo

comrade
kämrəd/Submit
noun
(among men) a colleague or a fellow member of an organization.
"an old college comrade"
synonyms: companion, friend; More

The word has been used more widely in a gender neutral form, most notably in the regime to which I am without subtly implying.
Then there is this fine example; Teachers’ union urges schools to host drag shows, use ‘comrade’ instead of ‘boy’ and ‘girl’

We could of course adopt the preferred 'citizen' as was commonly used during and after the French revolution, however, in extreme egalitarian societies, using the word 'citizen' instead of 'comrade' has been known to be taken/used as an insult.

[Yipper]

Transgender is quite common in schools now. Know someone who sends their kid to a private school and at least 4 pupils declare themselves publicly as transgender. It is in fashion.

[danllama]

Are trans children allowed in Muslim schools in Britain? Just wondering how level this playing field is.

[TTwiggy]

Any danger of just one thread that doesn't reference Muslims or Brexit?

[SantaBarbara]

There is no longer any requirement to discuss Brexit ad infititm

[danllama]

TTwiggy said:

Any danger of just one thread that doesn't reference Muslims or Brexit?

Any danger of someone answering my question honestly?

[TTwiggy]

SantaBarbara said:

ad infititm

Are you on the sauce again?

[TooMany2cvs]

StottyGTR said:

TooMany2cvs said:

StottyGTR said:

I predict we're going to see lots of about turns from transgender kids in the future. Possibly people changing their gender and back every few years too.

<shrug> Will that be a problem - for them? It certainly doesn't affect anybody else...

StottyGTR said:

I don't understand why the hormone replacement therapy and surgery has to come into it

It doesn't.

So what's this all about then?

Simply about people who don't feel they need to be labelled by what's between their legs.

How many people do you encounter in day-to-day life whose genitalia you take on trust, because you've never actually seen personally...? Does it make a difference if their genitalia doesn't match (iyho) with how they dress or refer to themselves?

danllama said:

Are trans children allowed in Muslim schools in Britain? Just wondering how level this playing field is.

It'd be illegal for an Islamic school to discriminate on the basis of gender identity, just as it'd be illegal for the CoE school in this case. There is no difference.

This case is not about a school breaking the law, though. It's about a parent at the school throwing their toys out of the pram because the school WON'T break the law.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-...

[popeyewhite]

TooMany2cvs said:

Simply about people who don't feel they need to be labelled by what's between their legs.

Actually that's not really correct. Gender dysphoria has little to do with labels and far more to do with personal psychological identity differing from physical sexual identity.

[TooMany2cvs]

popeyewhite said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Simply about people who don't feel they need to be labelled by what's between their legs.

Actually that's not really correct. Gender dysphoria has little to do with labels and far more to do with personal psychological identity differing from physical sexual identity.

Indeed - given the level the explanation was going to, a massive over-simplification was needed...

[StottyGTR]

TooMany2cvs said:

popeyewhite said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Simply about people who don't feel they need to be labelled by what's between their legs.

Actually that's not really correct. Gender dysphoria has little to do with labels and far more to do with personal psychological identity differing from physical sexual identity.

Indeed - given the level the explanation was going to, a massive over-simplification was needed...

I realised I was asking a simple question with an extremely complex answer so I took it on myself to do some research. I'm currently reading about gender dsyphoria.

Edit to add: Any links to articles that may help me understand would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by StottyGTR on Tuesday 12th September 19:04

[anonymous-user]

StottyGTR said:

I realised I was asking a simple question with an extremely complex answer so I took it on myself to do some research. I'm currently reading about gender dsyphoria.

Edit to add: Any links to articles that may help me understand would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 12th September 19:04

Asking for links on here? On this subject?

You are leaving yourself wide open.................. fnarr fnarr...