London Underground Incident
Discussion
NRS said:
It is - you don't see all the stopped attacks. Then the question is how to address the bigger picture - and that has a number of views on how to try and solve it. For example invading other countries created a power vacuum that ISIS was able to grow.
Or just stop letting people into our country, simple?KrissKross said:
If its that obviuos why is something not done about it?
When F1 drivers start killing people and terrorising the public, what would you suggest. Just leave them to it as its just part of every day life?
What would you want to see done about it? It's easy to cry that "something should be done" - but those who do so usually have very few ideas of their own.When F1 drivers start killing people and terrorising the public, what would you suggest. Just leave them to it as its just part of every day life?
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KrissKross said:
Or just stop letting people into our country, simple?
Oh, I see. The idea is to remove ourselves entirely from the modern world.Well, it's working well for North Korea, I guess. Can't think of anywhere else that has tried it, though.
We don't need to stop people coming to the UK. Immigration is a factor that has helped us advance as we have. I can't help but think though, that a but more control would not go amiss; border control which inconveniences so many innocent travellers every day, does not seem good at filtering out problems right now. It's a bit of a pantomime.
mx5nut said:
poo at Paul's said:
Don't bet on it, fostering is very lucrative as an income source. I doubt anyone does it purely out of the goodness of their hearts anymore.
Almost any job will provide more money for a lot less work/stress/hassle. If anyone tried it thinking it would be a nice earner, they'd be very disappointed very quickly. I don't believe a couple of pensioners have fostered hundreds of kids as a "lucrative income source", and neither do you.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:poo at Paul's said:
Don't bet on it, fostering is very lucrative as an income source. I doubt anyone does it purely out of the goodness of their hearts anymore.
I wouldn't let your own outlook on the world cloud your view too much.Some will do it for money, there are always bad apples, but the overwhelming majority will do it because they want to do some good.
mickmcpaddy said:
15 guns and a bomb found at the raided house. And the do gooders knew nothing? seriously? didn't have any inkling of what he might be up to.
What do you think they knew and why?If you want to sling mud simply by association fair enough but if you stop for just a second and think about it do you really think that a 71 year old woman an an 88 year old man who have fostered over 250 kids and got an MBE in recognition of it saw some guns and thought "Nah f
k it"?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:mickmcpaddy said:
15 guns and a bomb found at the raided house. And the do gooders knew nothing? seriously? didn't have any inkling of what he might be up to.
What do you think they knew and why?If you want to sling mud simply by association fair enough but if you stop for just a second and think about it do you really think that a 71 year old woman an an 88 year old man who have fostered over 250 kids and got an MBE in recognition of it saw some guns and thought "Nah f
k it"?But I'm afraid they seem to have fallen short of being vigilant in this case.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:techiedave said:
NO
But I'm afraid they seem to have fallen short of being vigilant in this case.
How vigilant should they have been?But I'm afraid they seem to have fallen short of being vigilant in this case.
15 guns could be a bag under a bed, a shoebox, it could be anything as so far as I'm aware they were foster parents not prison guards.
Mothersruin said:
Where were the kids from, how old, past history or associates would probably tell you how vigilant to be.
If the foster parents knew all of those things.If there are questions to ask I would guess it's more at the authorities and whatever process refugees go through before being let in.
It could be that nobody did anything wrong and it couldn't possibly have been foreseen.
We all see the photos of "child" refugees and see (albeit the red tops) reports of the Police being called out often so I'm also a little skeptical but I think it's wrong to go after the foster parents when right now it's simply because they took in a refugee.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Mothersruin said:
Where were the kids from, how old, past history or associates would probably tell you how vigilant to be.
If the foster parents knew all of those things.If there are questions to ask I would guess it's more at the authorities and whatever process refugees go through before being let in.
It could be that nobody did anything wrong and it couldn't possibly have been foreseen.
We all see the photos of "child" refugees and see (albeit the red tops) reports of the Police being called out often so I'm also a little skeptical but I think it's wrong to go after the foster parents when right now it's simply because they took in a refugee.
The process for kid refugees? Now that's an even better question.
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