London Underground Incident
Discussion
KrissKross said:
NRS said:
It is - you don't see all the stopped attacks. Then the question is how to address the bigger picture - and that has a number of views on how to try and solve it. For example invading other countries created a power vacuum that ISIS was able to grow.
Or just stop letting people into our country, simple?PS. Can you please check the birthplace of the 7/7 bombers?
oyster said:
KrissKross said:
NRS said:
It is - you don't see all the stopped attacks. Then the question is how to address the bigger picture - and that has a number of views on how to try and solve it. For example invading other countries created a power vacuum that ISIS was able to grow.
Or just stop letting people into our country, simple?PS. Can you please check the birthplace of the 7/7 bombers?
Mohammad Sidique Khan:
Born in St James's University Hospital, Leeds, Khan grew up in Beeston but moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury, near Leeds in early 2005.[2] His father, Tika Khan, a foundry worker, was born in Pakistan. His mother is Mamida Begu
Shehzad Tanweer: aged 22.
Tanweer was born in St Luke's maternity hospital, Bradford to Parveen Akhtar, whose husband, Mohammed Mumtaz Tanweer, was originally from the Faisalabad region of Pakistan. In 1984, the family moved to the Beeston area of Leeds, then to Colwyn Road (also in Beeston) when Tanweer was seven.
Germaine Lindsay:
Lindsay was born in Jamaica; after moving to Britain at age five, he lived in Dalton, West Yorkshire, where he attended Rawthorpe Junior School and Rawthorpe High School.[2] He subsequently moved to Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.
Lindsay married a woman from Kinnitty, County Offaly, Ireland, in a traditional Islamic religious ceremony,[when?][3] which had no legal recognition in the UK.[4][5] He divorced her eight days later[3] in order to marry Samantha Lewthwaite.[when?][3] Lewthwaite, a native of County Down, Northern Ireland, had converted to Islam at the age of 15 after moving to Aylesbury. Lewthwaite lived with him and gave birth to their second child two months after his death. Lindsay had converted to Islam shortly after his mother, Maryam McCleod Ismaiyl, converted to the faith in 2001 and encouraged him to do the same.[6][7] He worked part-time as a carpet fitter and supplemented his income by selling covers for mobile phones at a local market.[7]
Wife[edit]
Main article: Samantha Lewthwaite
Lindsay's wife, Samantha Lewthwaite, denied his involvement until authorities produced forensic evidence to confirm his identity.[10] She later said she abhorred the attacks and that her husband's mind had been poisoned by "radicals".[11]
By 2015, she herself had been accused of causing the deaths of more than 400 people.[12] Now dubbed the 'White Widow', Lewthwaite is an alleged member of the Somalia-based radical Islamic militant group Al-Shabaab.[13].
Hasib Hussain:
from BBC - was a second-generation British citizen whose parents were of Pakistani origin.
He grew up in Holbeck, on the outskirts of Leeds. The youngest of four children, he was still living with his parents when he died.
TheLordJohn said:
You make a good point, above. But why would people subject their future generations to the direction the U.K and Europe is heading in...?
Not sure why you refer to the UK and Europe ?The UK is at least now heading in the right direction whereas Europe (or at least the EU bit) is, imho, heading for many more problems.
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Which is interesting as on Saturday I was in London all day including 2 major transport hubs and didst see any Police at all. Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Yipper - I think that must have been just for you !!. It didn't seem too bad to me recently.Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
BlackLabel said:
Quite a year we've had and and we're still only in the middle of September.
36 killed and calls for us to change our entire way of life/attitude to the world by the usual reactionaries.Imagine if we let deaths on the road to influence our motoring policy in the same way the "ban everything" brigade would like to with refugees - we'd be lucky if they let us keep the roads, let alone our cars!
Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Found the youngster who doesn't remember the IRA Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Robertj21a said:
Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Yipper - I think that must have been just for you !!. It didn't seem too bad to me recently.Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Didn't see a single dog there and also definitely fewer armed police this year.
rscott said:
Robertj21a said:
Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Yipper - I think that must have been just for you !!. It didn't seem too bad to me recently.Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
Didn't see a single dog there and also definitely fewer armed police this year.
oyster said:
KrissKross said:
NRS said:
It is - you don't see all the stopped attacks. Then the question is how to address the bigger picture - and that has a number of views on how to try and solve it. For example invading other countries created a power vacuum that ISIS was able to grow.
Or just stop letting people into our country, simple?PS. Can you please check the birthplace of the 7/7 bombers?
The nub of it, appears only a few of us say what most people are really thinking.
_dobbo_ said:
KrissKross said:
Birthplace is irrelevant, who let in the parents, skilled engineers or doctors perhaps?
The nub of it, appears only a few of us say what most people are really thinking.
"Most people" The nub of it, appears only a few of us say what most people are really thinking.
mickmcpaddy said:
I'd say its most, I do a job where I meet different people all the time and if I get talking to them about things like this they are generally a bit coy at first but when they find out my my views I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't want to kick the lot out.
Top Bombing.Yipper said:
Terror is, sadly, the new normal for the UK.
Just been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
We sem to lag a long way behind in preparedness though - having been to some big events in france and italy this year they seem a whole lot more expectant of trouble, both reactively in armed police and soldiers and also in design eg access routesJust been through Luton Airport today and security is visibly at its highest ever level. Higher than after 911. Multiple layers, dogs, extra cameras, infrared scanners, the lot. Authorities are clearly very, very nervous and almost certainly expect more to come between now and Xmas. It's pretty sad.
mcdjl said:
I was in London Docklands on Friday and saw lots of extra police. In central London later on....none.
I came into town via Kings X/St Panc so was expecting a heavy presence there for sure, maybe they were there but couldn't see them. Agree about Central, nothing anywhere, was a bit odd to say the leastGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff