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TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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I have done 'voluntary' military service and look what an awful pinko-lefty-apologist I turned out to be wink

My view is that we cannot afford to reintroduce National Service and our military doesn't have any desire to become a surrogate mother to disaffected youth.

Some sort of 'Community Service' might work however, but the logistics of it would be challenging to say the least.

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Some sort of 'Community Service' might work however, but the logistics of it would be challenging to say the least.
Re-education camps perhaps wink

I dont know what the answer is but cant help feeling our Liberal attitudes have got us where we are today, I am yet to see anyone coming up with any convincing long term solutions

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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liner33 said:
TTwiggy said:
Some sort of 'Community Service' might work however, but the logistics of it would be challenging to say the least.
Re-education camps perhaps wink

I dont know what the answer is but cant help feeling our Liberal attitudes have got us where we are today, I am yet to see anyone coming up with any convincing long term solutions
Our 'liberal' attitudes are something to be proud of and should not be abandoned lightly. It's beyond irony that many people who decry the totalitarian Islamic regimes in places like Saudi Arabia seem to have such a desire to emulate them.

liner33

10,696 posts

203 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Our 'liberal' attitudes are something to be proud of and should not be abandoned lightly. It's beyond irony that many people who decry the totalitarian Islamic regimes in places like Saudi Arabia seem to have such a desire to emulate them.
I'm not suggesting they should be abandoned but we have to accept this is what we have now .

Of course there are only ever two options , liberal inclusive UK or Saudi Arabia/Nazi Germany rolleyes

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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liner33 said:
I'm not suggesting they should be abandoned but we have to accept this is what we have now .

Of course there are only ever two options , liberal inclusive UK or Saudi Arabia/Nazi Germany rolleyes
No. The reality is that we are as liberal as we should be for a civilised Western democracy. The idea that we are a nation of mungbean-weavers who have an open door policy to jihadis with a sob story is bks.



Biker 1

7,741 posts

120 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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I did national service elsewhere. I already had a bit of self-discipline & found it to be very interesting & got me fit. How the workshy scrotes/chavs/snowflakes in the UK could do boot camp I have no idea, even if there was the budget for it. I imagine the top brass would be somewhat against the idea too, so probably a non-starter.
As for some of the posts here basically wanting to deport 'them'........... rolleyes You would really support 'ethnic cleansing'??

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

99 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TTwiggy said:
I have done 'voluntary' military service and look what an awful pinko-lefty-apologist I turned out to be wink

My view is that we cannot afford to reintroduce National Service and our military doesn't have any desire to become a surrogate mother to disaffected youth.
With 2/3rds of the RN tied up due to NO MANPOWER I disagree..

turbomoped

4,180 posts

84 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
I'm not really a fan of Piers Morgan but he is spot on in this article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4896052/PI...
Interesting article but it does raise the question as why such a very old couple get lumbered with a angry teenager. They probably dozed off most of the time and that's why this wayward behavior went unchecked.

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Sylvaforever said:
With 2/3rds of the RN tied up due to NO MANPOWER I disagree..
I don't believe that a bunch of 16-18-year-olds doing 1-2 years of National Service are going to be an answer to the manpower issues facing the Navy.

ninja-lewis

4,244 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Sylvaforever said:
With 2/3rds of the RN tied up due to NO MANPOWER I disagree..
Really? Because it looks to me that only 2 ships are currently laid up (Daunt. The rest are operational, training or undergoing refit (Type 23 class currently being upgraded).



https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.co.uk/

Even at the height of National Service, the RN rarely had more than 5,000 national serviceman. Probably because they didn't want to deal with fkwits like you.

bitchstewie

51,414 posts

211 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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techiedave said:
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I don't see anything racist or anti muslim or anti Islamic in that article.
Its well thought out and simply states what many think

But that wont be good enough for certain types who see racism EVERYWHERE and cannot stop to fall over them selves in calling it out
Personally no issue with that article either.

When it crosses the line into stuff like "Pacman Ghosts" that I think it undermines any sensible points.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TTwiggy said:
I don't believe that a bunch of 16-18-year-olds doing 1-2 years of National Service are going to be an answer to the manpower issues facing the Navy.
National Service terminated many years ago actually

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
TTwiggy said:
I don't believe that a bunch of 16-18-year-olds doing 1-2 years of National Service are going to be an answer to the manpower issues facing the Navy.
National Service terminated many years ago actually
Thanks Alexa, I was aware of that.

Username888

505 posts

202 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoJareHfIw

Why are the intelligentsia/establishment reluctant to interfere with the people living in the UK (and Europe for that matter) who hate Western civilisation?

We know exactly who the biggest threats are, but instead of stopping them, we spend £billions simply *trying* to monitor them.

We've known for years/decades that many mosques, (faith/)schools, universities & prisons are breeding grounds for extremists, - yet nothing is done.

Are they STILL scared of political correctness (because most Muslims have brown skin)? Is that *all* what is stopping us from pro-actively doing anything?




s1962a

5,351 posts

163 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Username888 said:
We've known for years/decades that many mosques, (faith/)schools, universities & prisons are breeding grounds for extremists, - yet nothing is done.
What do you know that the intelligence services don't?

I thought the biggest threat was online radicalisation. How would you fix that?

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

147 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Username888 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoJareHfIw

Why are the intelligentsia/establishment reluctant to interfere with the people living in the UK (and Europe for that matter) who hate Western civilisation?

We know exactly who the biggest threats are, but instead of stopping them, we spend £billions simply *trying* to monitor them.

We've known for years/decades that many mosques, (faith/)schools, universities & prisons are breeding grounds for extremists, - yet nothing is done.

Are they STILL scared of political correctness (because most Muslims have brown skin)? Is that *all* what is stopping us from pro-actively doing anything?
I'd imagine it's because of the sort of soppy liberals on this thread that may shed a tear if we were to do what is necessary.

TTwiggy

11,548 posts

205 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TheLordJohn said:
I'd imagine it's because of the sort of soppy liberals on this thread that may shed a tear if we were to do what is necessary.
While posting up sub-EDL memes and talking about cockroaches is really achieving isn't it?

Username888

505 posts

202 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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s1962a said:
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What do you know that the intelligence services don't?
Bizarre question. But to answer, i'm politely like that, erm - hopefully nothing.

s1962a said:
I thought the biggest threat was online radicalisation. How would you fix that?
Research on how they clamped down on online pedophilia - circa 7 - 10 years ago at a guess

Anyway - back to the original question. Why are the establish so reluctant to do anything?

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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TheLordJohn said:
Username888 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoJareHfIw

Why are the intelligentsia/establishment reluctant to interfere with the people living in the UK (and Europe for that matter) who hate Western civilisation?

We know exactly who the biggest threats are, but instead of stopping them, we spend £billions simply *trying* to monitor them.

We've known for years/decades that many mosques, (faith/)schools, universities & prisons are breeding grounds for extremists, - yet nothing is done.

Are they STILL scared of political correctness (because most Muslims have brown skin)? Is that *all* what is stopping us from pro-actively doing anything?
I'd imagine it's because of the sort of soppy liberals on this thread that may shed a tear if we were to do what is necessary.
yes

Cobnapint

8,636 posts

152 months

Tuesday 19th September 2017
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Username888 said:
Anyway - back to the original question. Why are the establish so reluctant to do anything?
They're not. It's gonna be sorted soon! Enough is enough Theresa said - and I believe her!

[Stares at TV waiting for some news on what is being done]......