London Underground Incident

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mickmcpaddy said:

What would solve the problem overnight it to stop all social security payments to everyone, just do away with the whole dole system altogether. Then the only ones left here are the ones that want to kill us. Simple.

Where are you going to get your fags and beer money from?

Does Jeremy Kyle pay appearance fees?

[del mar]

Countdown said:

Where are you going to get your fags and beer money from?

Does Jeremy Kyle pay appearance fees?

Too right he does and you get a night in a posh hotel !

[mickmcpaddy]

Countdown said:

mickmcpaddy said:

What would solve the problem overnight it to stop all social security payments to everyone, just do away with the whole dole system altogether. Then the only ones left here are the ones that want to kill us. Simple.

Where are you going to get your fags and beer money from?

Does Jeremy Kyle pay appearance fees?

The same place I always have I suppose and yes I would imagine he does pay fees, don't hold me to it though you might want to take some money with you just in case.

[AshVX220]

So, what are the "Liberal's" solution to this issue then?

I see the Alt-right, giving options, opinions on possible solutions, I see the liberal left shouting them down, calling out racist or some other "'ism", but no solution.

What do the liberal left think we should do?

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AshVX220 said:

So, what are the "Liberal's" solution to this issue then?

I see the Alt-right, giving options, opinions on possible solutions, I see the liberal left shouting them down, calling out racist or some other "'ism", but no solution.

What do the liberal left think we should do?

You thinking "nuking small Heath" is a solution as opposed to an example of alt-right cretinism?

FWIW I think the Police are doing a pretty good job. Let them carry on and give them any additional powers they feel they need.

ETA who are you suggesting is alt right on this thread?

Edited by Countdown on Wednesday 20th September 21:58

[Username888]

Alt right, alt left, are labels really important? Whatever your political persuasion, unless you're an Islamist, surely we would ALL like to see an end to the regular Islamic inspired atrocities.

I don't see the constant need to label and divide people as productive. Example of many, I noticed that when you want to make a complaint about the CPS they ask you what race you are. Why does it matter? Bad service is bad service. We're constantly reminded that race doesn't matter, and then on the same note it's constantly being pointed out. it's almost as if 'they' want it to matter.

On a personal note I don't see race, nationality, religious dress sense when i look at someone, - I see a human being, - we're all the same at the core. Surely most people with common sense have a similar perspective to me. I wonder that this constant reminder of our differences, male female black brown Jew Sikh gay transgender right left remainer brexister etc does more to divide us than bring us together

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:28

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:29

[del mar]

Username888 said:

On a personal note I don't see race, nationality, religious dress sense when i look at someone, - I see a human being, - we're all the same at the core. Surely most people with common sense have a similar perspective to me. I wonder that this constant reminder of our differences, male female black brown Jew Sikh gay transgender right left remainer brexister etc does more to divide us than bring us together

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:28

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:29

You would be no use as a police witness !

Why cant you look at a black man and say he is black - that is not racist ?

If you look at the story on whether Lukaku does indeed have a massive **** or not.

He is no doubt proud to be black
He is proud to be physically strong
He is proud to have a massive ****

If he is proud to be black, why cant you recognise his blackness ? I would imagine ignoring or denying his blackness is far worse to him, than the suggestion that he has a massive ****.

[del mar]

Username888 said:

For me, it's not just the obvious extreme views which I object to (stoning’s, Jews ascend from apes & pigs, illegal to be gay etc), - it's the more common narrative preached in Mosques along the lines of "show respect to non-muslims, be polite to them, but inside your heart, - don't befriend them, - don't socialise with them, have nothing to do with them, as their way of life disgusts Allah and you shouldn't have any association with it". I believe this divisive preaching is damaging and continues to raise tensions within communities, and can lead in the end to Muslims have more and more hardline/extreme views/actions. Surely this sort of narrative could be classes as "inciting hatred" - and should not be tolerated?

I don't mean to flag your post here it was just the last one that mentioned Extreme, but as general question.

What is extreme Islam ?
The points you list stoning, Jews etc, these are not extreme views, they are salt of the earth honest Islamic opinions / values, they are the word of God.

We don't like them as they don't fit in with our modern views, but they can not be called Extreme Islamic views, they are just Islamic views.

Women are instructed to dress modestly. Walking around covered head to toe in a black sheet and swimming in your clothes is quite an extreme interpretation of that, and yet we will fight among ourselves to allow these women to exercise their freedom of choice to dress like this.

So what is extreme ?

[Username888]

del mar said:

Username888 said:

On a personal note I don't see race, nationality, religious dress sense when i look at someone, - I see a human being, - we're all the same at the core. Surely most people with common sense have a similar perspective to me. I wonder that this constant reminder of our differences, male female black brown Jew Sikh gay transgender right left remainer brexister etc does more to divide us than bring us together

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:28

Edited by Username888 on Wednesday 20th September 23:29

You would be no use as a police witness !

Why cant you look at a black man and say he is black - that is not racist ?

If you look at the story on whether Lukaku does indeed have a massive **** or not.

He is no doubt proud to be black
He is proud to be physically strong
He is proud to have a massive ****

If he is proud to be black, why cant you recognise his blackness ? I would imagine ignoring or denying his blackness is far worse to him, than the suggestion that he has a massive ****.

I agree with you.

If I saw someone robbing a bank, of course a description matters and of course I would recognise an Orthodox Jew, a young black male, and Musim sporting an Islamic beard (no moustache) etc, - but there's a difference in pointing out differences when it matters, - our society seems to constantly point out our differences when it does not. Personally I don't about the colour of the person who turns up to put out my house fire, or assists me in crisis, - all I care about is their ability to do the job.

[Username888]

del mar said:

Username888 said:

For me, it's not just the obvious extreme views which I object to (stoning’s, Jews ascend from apes & pigs, illegal to be gay etc), - it's the more common narrative preached in Mosques along the lines of "show respect to non-muslims, be polite to them, but inside your heart, - don't befriend them, - don't socialise with them, have nothing to do with them, as their way of life disgusts Allah and you shouldn't have any association with it". I believe this divisive preaching is damaging and continues to raise tensions within communities, and can lead in the end to Muslims have more and more hardline/extreme views/actions. Surely this sort of narrative could be classes as "inciting hatred" - and should not be tolerated?

I don't mean to flag your post here it was just the last one that mentioned Extreme, but as general question.

What is extreme Islam ?
The points you list stoning, Jews etc, these are not extreme views, they are salt of the earth honest Islamic opinions / values, they are the word of God.

We don't like them as they don't fit in with our modern views, but they can not be called Extreme Islamic views, they are just Islamic views.

Women are instructed to dress modestly. Walking around covered head to toe in a black sheet and swimming in your clothes is quite an extreme interpretation of that, and yet we will fight among ourselves to allow these women to exercise their freedom of choice to dress like this.

So what is extreme ?

The points I listed are extreme to Western Society, however, I take your point and I cannot disagree with it.

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del mar said:

You would be no use as a police witness !

Clearly, it's not "that" difficult

Police Sketch Artist

[KrissKross]

AshVX220 said:

So, what are the "Liberal's" solution to this issue then?

I see the Alt-right, giving options, opinions on possible solutions, I see the liberal left shouting them down, calling out racist or some other "'ism", but no solution.

What do the liberal left think we should do?

You will be waiting a long while, they have no ideas at all.

[TheLordJohn]

KrissKross said:

You will be waiting a long while, they have no ideas at all.

Yes they do!

[mx5nut]

AshVX220 said:

So, what are the "Liberal's" solution to this issue then?

I see the Alt-right, giving options, opinions on possible solutions, I see the liberal left shouting them down, calling out racist or some other "'ism", but no solution.

What do the liberal left think we should do?

Let the police/security services do their jobs (including allocating them the funds needed to do so effectively). They're pretty good at it.

Don't punish innocent people who happen to go to the same kind of church as these criminals do, just because we feel like we need to be seen doing something.

[mcdjl]

mx5nut said:

Let the police/security services do their jobs (including allocating them the funds needed to do so effectively). They're pretty good at it.

Don't punish innocent people who happen to go to the same kind of church as these criminals do, just because we feel like we need to be seen doing something.

Indeed. Go back 30 years and would people really have been calling for anyone sounding/ looking Irish or being a Catholic to have been locked up and sent back to where they vane from?

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KrissKross said:

AshVX220 said:

So, what are the "Liberal's" solution to this issue then?

I see the Alt-right, giving options, opinions on possible solutions, I see the liberal left shouting them down, calling out racist or some other "'ism", but no solution.

What do the liberal left think we should do?

You will be waiting a long while, they have no ideas at all.

AshVX220 didn't answer my question so maybe you could - what options/"possible solutions" are the Alt-Right giving ?

[del mar]

Left Right Liberal, we can do nothing.

We have been importing Islam for years with no thought as to how we can all live together.

We can hope that over time they will lose interest in Religion as we have done but that will take years, and only really works if we stop importing more first generations, as this just starts the cycle again.

[KrissKross]

Countdown said:

AshVX220 didn't answer my question so maybe you could - what options/"possible solutions" are the Alt-Right giving ?

What is YOUR idea?

[liner33]

del mar said:

Left Right Liberal, we can do nothing.

We have been importing Islam for years with no thought as to how we can all live together.

We can hope that over time they will lose interest in Religion as we have done but that will take years, and only really works if we stop importing more first generations, as this just starts the cycle again.

I think you are right , we have a section of our population that has no wish to integrate and that sees others as worth less than themselves and treats than accordingly

[Mothersruin]

del mar said:

Left Right Liberal, we can do nothing.

We have been importing Islam for years with no thought as to how we can all live together.

We can hope that over time they will lose interest in Religion as we have done but that will take years, and only really works if we stop importing more first generations, as this just starts the cycle again.

'Lose interest' - sounds like the process normal people would go through when they realise the hobby they've been invested in is actually a bit rubbish and there's better things to do.