Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
Discussion
Eddie Strohacker said:
We who oppose it are right & in terms of political history, have right on our side.
No you're like the allegorical sheep in Animal Farm. Never understood why the middle class always pick the wrong side - it was Stalin in the case of Orwell's allegory - maybe reading too much Independent does that to your brain.fido said:
This whole thread summed up nicely.
"The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remain’ campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/lea...
The word is "let's"."The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remain’ campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/lea...
Eddie Strohacker said:
Nah. the correct answer is it's a lie, it was always a lie & Boris Johnson is a holder of one of the four great offices of state & lying in the position he occupies was once a grave matter, but now, the debate has become so polarised that slightly fewer than 4 in 10 Britons who support this bulls
t are so craven, that they will overlook almost any moral aberration in support of their goal.We who oppose it are right & in terms of political history, have right on our side.
Boy,you talk some bt are so craven, that they will overlook almost any moral aberration in support of their goal.We who oppose it are right & in terms of political history, have right on our side.Edited by Eddie Strohacker on Sunday 17th September 22:36
ks.jsf said:
Wrong, using 2015 figures
The Budget payments work as follows
VAT based payments to the EU by the UK 3.73 Billion
Gross Nation Income based payments to the EU by the UK 20.6 Billion
Giving a total we would have to pay to the EU before any rebate correction 24.3 Billion (467 million/week)
The EU then take off the UK rebate correction of 6 Billion (thanks to Maggie)
This gives our total Gross contribution we paid to the EU in 2015 as 18.2 Billion, that’s what we hand over to the EU in cash effectively. (350 million/week)
The EU then pay out the funds to the various countries based on the projects they wish to support, in the case of the UK we get given back, to spend as they order in the form of grants and subsidies 7.45 Billion
24.3 Billion (what we paid in) – 6 Billion(the rebate) – 7.45 Billion(the subsidies) = 11.521 Billion
That means we paid NET 11.521 Billion Euros (221 million/week)
So in summary, we send £350 million per week after the rebate is applied, they then give us back £143 million per week, if we didn't have the rebate we would have to give the EU £467 million per week.
Where are you getting your figures from?The Budget payments work as follows
VAT based payments to the EU by the UK 3.73 Billion
Gross Nation Income based payments to the EU by the UK 20.6 Billion
Giving a total we would have to pay to the EU before any rebate correction 24.3 Billion (467 million/week)
The EU then take off the UK rebate correction of 6 Billion (thanks to Maggie)
This gives our total Gross contribution we paid to the EU in 2015 as 18.2 Billion, that’s what we hand over to the EU in cash effectively. (350 million/week)
The EU then pay out the funds to the various countries based on the projects they wish to support, in the case of the UK we get given back, to spend as they order in the form of grants and subsidies 7.45 Billion
24.3 Billion (what we paid in) – 6 Billion(the rebate) – 7.45 Billion(the subsidies) = 11.521 Billion
That means we paid NET 11.521 Billion Euros (221 million/week)
So in summary, we send £350 million per week after the rebate is applied, they then give us back £143 million per week, if we didn't have the rebate we would have to give the EU £467 million per week.
According to the BBC in 2016 we sent £252 million after rebate? Or almost exactly the numbers I said.
I've never seen anything near £467 million claimed beforehand!
Edit-from fullfact:
In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget.
That gives circa £250 million per week that we send to the EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th September 07:51
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 18th September 07:56
Pan Pan Pan said:
If you then take into account that 80% of the fish stocks in UK territorial waters was seized by the EEC for which the UK was given no compensation whatsoever how a was this good for the UK?
Ah, this old one.Perhaps you forget that while UK fishing fleets lost exclusive access to UK waters, they gained access to the rest of Europe's waters.
Blue is the UK waters that exclusive access was lost to...
...in exchange for shared access to...
All of this discussion of £350M is pointless anyway.
We don't have anything to give to the NHS or otherwise because we run a budget deficit. Without the payment to the EU our required borrowing would reduce, that's all.
If people want more money to the NHS it will have to be borrowed or raised via higher taxation.
We don't have anything to give to the NHS or otherwise because we run a budget deficit. Without the payment to the EU our required borrowing would reduce, that's all.
If people want more money to the NHS it will have to be borrowed or raised via higher taxation.
glazbagun said:
fido said:
This whole thread summed up nicely.
"The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remain’ campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/lea...
Ah, so the inner workings of a little mind revealed "The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remain’ campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/lea...
I can just imagine people who think like this buying a car...it must go something like this:
"'Allo Salesperson, I'm here to buy that there yonder used Ford Mondeo. Quite like the orange peely orange colour, I does. Was that original?"
"Well, Sir, that beautiful car is £4,000 but I'll let you have it for £2,500.
"Ah, grand chap, I can afford that"
"Excellent Sir"
"Right, here's my £2,000"
"Er, I will need the full £2,500 Sir"
"As I said, I can afford that. My Gross is £2,500 but my Net is £2,000. So that' all fine, surely? I mean, I have the Gross on my payslip so can prove it"
"I'm sorry, Sir, it doesn't quite work like that, you see, to purchase something you can't use your Gross figure, you need to use the Net you have in your pocket. Sod off you twit"
Using a Gross figure rather than the Net for Contributions to the NHS and expecting that to purchase the full value of that amount!
Edited by Coolbanana on Monday 18th September 09:10
Even Farage had the good grace to disown this pack of lies.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referend...
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referend...
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