Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
Discussion
rscott said:
Irrelevant because it was the gross contribution, before the rebate, let alone any other money we might have received from the EU.
Also completely irrelevant for what it was used for as it ignores the cost of not being in the EU (from actual costs such as the need to duplicate staff currently provided as part of our membership to the economic damage to the country).There's a reason why no politician will commit to where we'll be spending the money once we're out - it won't exist.
mx5nut said:
Also completely irrelevant for what it was used for as it ignores the cost of not being in the EU (from actual costs such as the need to duplicate staff currently provided as part of our membership to the economic damage to the country).
There's a reason why no politician will commit to where we'll be spending the money once we're out - it won't exist.
You do realise that in a couple of years you're going to look a right idiot?There's a reason why no politician will commit to where we'll be spending the money once we're out - it won't exist.
Remainers have been wrong twice now,first thinking the referendum was going to remain and then no disaster as predicted.
Then again you might as well go for a hat trick.
Funkycoldribena said:
You do realise that in a couple of years you're going to look a right idiot?
Remainers have been wrong twice now,first thinking the referendum was going to remain and then no disaster as predicted.
Then again you might as well go for a hat trick.
Do you really think that people think things are going to happen because they personally voted for them?Remainers have been wrong twice now,first thinking the referendum was going to remain and then no disaster as predicted.
Then again you might as well go for a hat trick.
hyphen said:
Anyone else feel it is a bit wrong that Boris in his senior public role, still writes articles in the paper which are behind a paywall on current issues.
Most recent one was his vision for peace in the middle east.
Yes, I agree - its almost as if you have to pay a newspaper to find our government policy.Most recent one was his vision for peace in the middle east.
I like the £500/£2000 sofa analogy.
It is only £500. Saying its £2000 is clearly misleading.
Plus as above, you are actually refreshing a room in a business - say a B&B - and investing in that sofa brings in 4x more customers, earning far more than the £500 costs you. So it is not a cost at all - you make more money! (benefits of EU via trade, common activities, SM & CU etc.). This is the case that remain tried to make but was too difficult for many to grasp (as proven here frequently).
///ajd said:
Plus as above, you are actually refreshing a room in a business - say a B&B - and investing in that sofa brings in 4x more customers, earning far more than the £500 costs you. So it is not a cost at all - you make more money! (benefits of EU via trade, common activities, SM & CU etc.). This is the case that remain tried to make but was too difficult for many to grasp (as proven here frequently).
It didn't fit on the side of a bus - you can't expect people to *gasp* think beyond a slogan.williamp said:
Although this is the EU, and they decide what sofa you are going to have...and buy you a new washing machine instead
Lots is actually determined by UK entities applying to the EU for grants. Post-brexit the same type of activities will have to continue except the entities will be applying to UK funding bodies instead of EU ones. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose ... except we'll have to implement the bureaucracy for ourselves without the economies of scale of pooling that activity with the other EU members.ATG said:
Lots is actually determined by UK entities applying to the EU for grants. Post-brexit the same type of activities will have to continue except the entities will be applying to UK funding bodies instead of EU ones. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose ... except we'll have to implement the bureaucracy for ourselves without the economies of scale of pooling that activity with the other EU members.
I think a lot of that is duplicated in the UK already.Boris finally admits that the £350m figure was wrong - he now says the figure is a lot more. 
"Boris Johnson has ratcheted-up his defence of Vote Leave’s infamous assertion on the side of their bus that Britain sends £350m a week to the EU by saying the group could have used a much higher figure.
The foreign secretary said the UK’s weekly gross contribution would rise to £438m by the end of a post-Brexit transition period and insisted leave campaigners were right to pledge extra cash to the NHS.
“There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control,” said Johnson, in an exclusive interview with the Guardian."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/15/l...
"Boris Johnson has ratcheted-up his defence of Vote Leave’s infamous assertion on the side of their bus that Britain sends £350m a week to the EU by saying the group could have used a much higher figure.
The foreign secretary said the UK’s weekly gross contribution would rise to £438m by the end of a post-Brexit transition period and insisted leave campaigners were right to pledge extra cash to the NHS.
“There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control,” said Johnson, in an exclusive interview with the Guardian."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/15/l...
BlackLabel said:
Boris finally admits that the £350m figure was wrong - he now says the figure is a lot more.
"Boris Johnson has ratcheted-up his defence of Vote Leave’s infamous assertion on the side of their bus that Britain sends £350m a week to the EU by saying the group could have used a much higher figure.
The foreign secretary said the UK’s weekly gross contribution would rise to £438m by the end of a post-Brexit transition period and insisted leave campaigners were right to pledge extra cash to the NHS.
“There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control,” said Johnson, in an exclusive interview with the Guardian."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/15/l...
"Boris Johnson has ratcheted-up his defence of Vote Leave’s infamous assertion on the side of their bus that Britain sends £350m a week to the EU by saying the group could have used a much higher figure.
The foreign secretary said the UK’s weekly gross contribution would rise to £438m by the end of a post-Brexit transition period and insisted leave campaigners were right to pledge extra cash to the NHS.
“There was an error on the side of the bus. We grossly underestimated the sum over which we would be able to take back control,” said Johnson, in an exclusive interview with the Guardian."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/15/l...
mx5nut said:
Luckily Leavers have all disowned the bus already, eh? 
Yep, none of them were stupid enough to believe it the first time around - apparently - so surely none will fall for it now? So Boris is what, just trolling? Or does he believe he is on-message for his Base Supporters? Very like Trump and his Base Supporters...
Boris has learned a lot from Trump; lying will get you votes if they appeal to the ignorant and their bias. Of course, Leavers who are not ignorant will want to distance themselves from this, naturally, but who do they think they are trying to fool? Only themselves. Of course Boris' lies are working for the Leave Cause, they do garner votes.
KrissKross said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any of this as a big deal, why has this been spun to become something it's not?
If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
An MP deliberately lied to the electorate in order to try and convince them to vote against the EU.If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
So you might not be the only one but I hope you are in an insignificant minority.
The good news is that whilst, during the transition period at least, we will be paying more to the EU than we did before brexit, given that the £350m is fantasy, we will not be paying more than £350m.
Derek Smith said:
KrissKross said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any of this as a big deal, why has this been spun to become something it's not?
If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
An MP deliberately lied to the electorate in order to try and convince them to vote against the EU.If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
So you might not be the only one but I hope you are in an insignificant minority.
The good news is that whilst, during the transition period at least, we will be paying more to the EU than we did before brexit, given that the £350m is fantasy, we will not be paying more than £350m.
I didn't mention people or numbers, just facts.
KrissKross said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any of this as a big deal, why has this been spun to become something it's not?
If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
If the alternative costs you more, that doesn't leave any to spend on something else.If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
KrissKross said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see any of this as a big deal, why has this been spun to become something it's not?
If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
Not really. If I tweak your analogy a bit..If you send money to someone, and then stop paying someone said money, you can then spend it on something else.
Isn't this simply the point?
I send £1000 a week to someone and they give me £300 back each time. I then stop sending them that money. How much better off am I each week? If you're Boris, then you're £1000 a week better off. Most others would say £700.
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