Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
Discussion
Hayek said:
This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.
I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
It does make me wonder why leave voters claim that the EU is punishing us.I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that our goal is to achieve the worst deal and we never had any intention of getting the best deal.
We can't lose or be punished.
Hayek said:
This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.
Everybody always denies it was about The lines about "democracy" and "control" are easily proved to be gold-plated b
ks.So that leaves...?
Ghibli said:
It does make me wonder why leave voters claim that the EU is punishing us.
Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that our goal is to achieve the worst deal and we never had any intention of getting the best deal.
We can't lose or be punished.
What a load of giblets.Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that our goal is to achieve the worst deal and we never had any intention of getting the best deal.
We can't lose or be punished.
what Ghibli should have said:
Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that the goal of ardent Remainers is to achieve the worst deal.........
............so that if they can persuade someone to let them have a second referendum, they think that they can win it be making leaving utterly unpalatable (at least in their own eyes) . andymadmak said:
what Ghibli should have said:
Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that the goal of ardent Remainers is to achieve the worst deal.........
............so that if they can persuade someone to let them have a second referendum, they think that they can win it be making leaving utterly unpalatable (at least in their own eyes) . Which part of my comment is wrong?
andymadmak said:
what Ghibli should have said:
Now that we are entering phase 2 it is good to know that the goal of ardent Remainers is to achieve the worst deal.........
............so that if they can persuade someone to let them have a second referendum, they think that they can win it be making leaving utterly unpalatable (at least in their own eyes) . The negotiating team is made up of Leavers.
Allegedly, according to some here, a vast majority of the public are Leavers.
If we get "the worst deal", it's on you guys
Get on with it.
mx5nut said:
The government is made up of Leavers.
TBF, May campaigned for Remain - albeit she didn't really believe it but wanted to be sure she was seen to be on the side she expected her career to be helped by.I wonder who else that could apply to?
It's odd, isn't it? The leaver who campaigned for remain has been better helped than the remainer who campaigned leave.
mx5nut said:
The government is made up of Leavers.
Not true.mx5nut said:
The negotiating team is made up of Leavers.
Of course.mx5nut said:
Allegedly, according to some here, a vast majority of the public are Leavers.
Who has said that? Seems like more of your lies / ignorant misrepresentation?Hayek said:
This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.
You are right. It wasn't. Hayek said:
I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
What comeback can you have on;
So you are right, it wasn't economics for the majority of brexit voters. It was scaring the bejesus out of oldies. Talk about project fear.
TooMany2cvs said:
mx5nut said:
The government is made up of Leavers.
TBF, May campaigned for Remain - albeit she didn't really believe it but wanted to be sure she was seen to be on the side she expected her career to be helped by.I wonder who else that could apply to?
It's odd, isn't it? The leaver who campaigned for remain has been better helped than the remainer who campaigned leave.
don'tbesilly said:
So to summarise, like ORD you make a claim, and when challenged come up with zero, and use waffle to divert the subject away from your original claim.
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Taking in just one aspect, I pointed you to an Ipsos Mori Poll that supports my wager. Sure, it is but one piece but you'd have to be dense to not attribute some truth to it. It is also well within the acknowledged confines of accepted leeway to then demonstrate than it is highly likely that the 1.2 million figure was exceeded. ................Educate yourself and remove your blinkers, man!
Ah well, 'tis all fun and games now from here on out, at least for me.
I'll continue poking fun at you and your dear Infatuated with Farage and Boris folk as and when I feel like it - and so long as you keep up the Great Defence of your Shameful Error. Nah, that's not fair, Leavers are entitled to want their Country to be run as they want and if a majority want to see it downsized, downgraded and embarrassed then they have that Right. Hey, you won, be happy
Go and do Brexit. Make the UK Insignificant Again. mx5nut said:
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
Allegedly, according to some here, a vast majority of the public are Leavers.
Who has said that? Seems like more of your lies / ignorant misrepresentation?Big if true.
Oh well.
Jean-Claude Juncker on Wednesday doubled down on his calls for a second Brexit referendum and said he would help Britain re-join the bloc even if the UK finally does leave the European Union.
The president of the European Commission was speaking in the European Parliament in Strasbourg for the second day in a row.
Yesterday, he agreed with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, who told MEPs the EU’s “ hearts are open ” to a British Brexit reversal.
On Wednesday, Mr Juncker went further in what appears to be the latest step in a carefully coordinated salvo to boost the spirits of those British politicians and people who want to stop Brexit.
“Our hand remains outstretched. The British people, the British government may wish to find a different way out. We’re very much willing to deal with them,” he said.
The president of the European Commission was speaking in the European Parliament in Strasbourg for the second day in a row.
Yesterday, he agreed with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, who told MEPs the EU’s “ hearts are open ” to a British Brexit reversal.
On Wednesday, Mr Juncker went further in what appears to be the latest step in a carefully coordinated salvo to boost the spirits of those British politicians and people who want to stop Brexit.
“Our hand remains outstretched. The British people, the British government may wish to find a different way out. We’re very much willing to deal with them,” he said.
housen said:
Jean-Claude Juncker on Wednesday doubled down on his calls for a second Brexit referendum and said he would help Britain re-join the bloc even if the UK finally does leave the European Union.
The president of the European Commission was speaking in the European Parliament in Strasbourg for the second day in a row.
Yesterday, he agreed with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, who told MEPs the EU’s “ hearts are open ” to a British Brexit reversal.
On Wednesday, Mr Juncker went further in what appears to be the latest step in a carefully coordinated salvo to boost the spirits of those British politicians and people who want to stop Brexit.
“Our hand remains outstretched. The British people, the British government may wish to find a different way out. We’re very much willing to deal with them,” he said.
Lovely sentiment. After all, David Davis himself said, 'if a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democracy', helpfully showing the light and the way to more enlightened thinkers than you tend to find on these pages.The president of the European Commission was speaking in the European Parliament in Strasbourg for the second day in a row.
Yesterday, he agreed with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, who told MEPs the EU’s “ hearts are open ” to a British Brexit reversal.
On Wednesday, Mr Juncker went further in what appears to be the latest step in a carefully coordinated salvo to boost the spirits of those British politicians and people who want to stop Brexit.
“Our hand remains outstretched. The British people, the British government may wish to find a different way out. We’re very much willing to deal with them,” he said.
Some may complain at what they see as an attempt to undermine the (lol) will of about a million people, once you cancel the rest out, but others may look on & see that we're about to legally lock down phase 1 of Brexit, binding us to the SM & CU rules without any representation in Europe to fall back on as well as the emerging likelihood that we'll ask Europe to stay in the 760 odd trading arrangements as long as possible & that the one minute after midnight thing that Liam Fox blathered on in word shaped sounds that came out of his air miles hole were in fact nonsense & draw an inescapable conclusion that actually taking back control seems to leave us with no control at all & therefore thank nice Mr. Tusk for offering a way out of the folly.
But I doubt it, since this place is more about sticking the boot in than anything else.
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