Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.

[anonymous-user]

Eddie Strohacker said:

In pointing out your world view, I think I rather have. Your mileage may vary, but will always amount to the same journey.

Its not my world view, its whats happening on the ground all over Europe.

If you would prefer to look yourself, keep an eye on the EU Eurobarometer, if as you suggest the economics trump everything, based on the EU's own studies they will be stting bricks about the Italian elections, Italy is showing far more negative views than the UK.

latest one is http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/...

all of them http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/...

From the November 2017 report

The two areas of most concern for most of the people in Europe as a European problem is immigration and terrorism.
The two areas of most concern at the national level is unemployment and immigration
only 34% of Italians trust the EU, France is even lower at 33% and has dropped 8% this year!
only 29% of Italians think their voice counts in the EU
the French are the most pessimistic about the future of the EU, down 6% this year
80% of Italians think the national economy is totally bad!
58% of Italians think the EU economy is totally bad
Italy is the most anti-free movement of people, of the 28
Italians feel the 2nd least European, only Greece is lower (that is an astonishing change for a formally very EU positive country)
The CAP is the least positive aspect of the EU, gaining less than 10% support

[don'tbesilly]

Crackie said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Lovely sentiment. After all, David Davis himself said, 'if a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democracy', helpfully showing the light and the way to more enlightened thinkers than you tend to find on these pages.

Some may complain at what they see as an attempt to undermine the (lol) will of about a million people, once you cancel the rest out, but others may look on & see that we're about to legally lock down phase 1 of Brexit, binding us to the SM & CU rules without any representation in Europe to fall back on as well as the emerging likelihood that we'll ask Europe to stay in the 760 odd trading arrangements as long as possible & that the one minute after midnight thing that Liam Fox blathered on in word shaped sounds that came out of his air miles hole were in fact nonsense & draw an inescapable conclusion that actually taking back control seems to leave us with no control at all & therefore thank nice Mr. Tusk for offering a way out of the folly.

But I doubt it, since this place is more about sticking the boot in than anything else.

If there were a second referendum and the result was remain then I would dislike it intensely but would respect it..........

Edited by Crackie on Wednesday 17th January 18:59

Never going to happen, a second referendum would result in a landslide for Leave, something along the lines of 87% - 13%.

[B'stard Child]

TooMany2cvs said:

Hayek said:

This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.

Everybody always denies it was about xenophobia migration.
The lines about "democracy" and "control" are easily proved to be gold-plated bks.

So that leaves...?

Not wanting to be part of the gradual creep to a European Superstate and fking Eurovision

[mx5nut]

[Too Drunk to Funk]

Does seem rather apt that "Johnson" is another word for Penis.

[ATG]

B'stard Child said:

Not wanting to be part of the gradual creep to a European Superstate and fking Eurovision

There was no gradual creep towards a superstate. Of course some wanted to take things in that direction, but the UK and others had no difficulty frustrating their ambitions and we could have carried on doing that indefinitely if we chose to.

But I'm with you all the way on Eurovision.

[B'stard Child]

ATG said:

B'stard Child said:

Not wanting to be part of the gradual creep to a European Superstate and fking Eurovision

There was no gradual creep towards a superstate. Of course some wanted to take things in that direction, but the UK and others had no difficulty frustrating their ambitions and we could have carried on doing that indefinitely if we chose to.

We've been doing that for too long already - to fix some of the issues in Europe the EU needs to go down that route at a much faster pace - I'm happy to leave them to do that without the UK dragging it's heels like a recalcitrant teenager.

ATG said:

But I'm with you all the way on Eurovision.

- I thought I was all alone on that one

[TooMany2cvs]

<whispers> You do know Eurovision's nothing to do with...?

[B'stard Child]

TooMany2cvs said:

<whispers> You do know Eurovision's nothing to do with...?

Shhhhh - I don't want everyone to know - it's our secret










I mean seriously we'd have never got leave over the line if people had realised that you know who had nothing to do with Eurovision

Everyone is focused on that bloody bus..............

Edited by B'stard Child on Wednesday 24th January 00:13

[anonymous-user]

I reckon JRM will trump Boris in the forthcoming leadership election.
It's bonkers, but everyone else, including genius/idiot Boris, have self-destructed.
Entertaining for sure

[numtumfutunch]

Jimboka said:

I reckon JRM will trump Boris in the forthcoming leadership election.
It's bonkers, but everyone else, including genius/idiot Boris, have self-destructed.
Entertaining for sure

JRM vs Boris?

That's a bit like which Nazi was your favourite......

[The Dangerous Elk]

numtumfutunch said:

JRM vs Boris?

That's a bit like which Nazi was your favourite......

just stupid, nothing more than that

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

numtumfutunch said:

JRM vs Boris?

That's a bit like which Nazi was your favourite......

just stupid, nothing more than that

Kind of True. But give it a few months & that is where we will be.

[TooMany2cvs]

Jimboka said:

I reckon JRM will trump Boris in the forthcoming leadership election.
It's bonkers, but everyone else, including genius/idiot Boris, have self-destructed.
Entertaining for sure

If anything is guaranteed to make a shoe-in of OoohJeremy, then it's that choice.

I'm starting to think Trumplethinskin is a sensible option.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Jimboka said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

numtumfutunch said:

JRM vs Boris?

That's a bit like which Nazi was your favourite......

just stupid, nothing more than that

Kind of True. But give it a few months & that is where we will be.

No, you misunderstand. Calling them or even mentioning "Nazi" is the stupid thing.

[Halmyre]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Jimboka said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

numtumfutunch said:

JRM vs Boris?

That's a bit like which Nazi was your favourite......

just stupid, nothing more than that

Kind of True. But give it a few months & that is where we will be.

No, you misunderstand. Calling them or even mentioning "Nazi" is the stupid thing.

An alternative comparison is "would you rather stand in dog poo with your left foot or your right foot?"

[The Dangerous Elk]

Halmyre said:

An alternative comparison is "would you rather stand in dog poo with your left foot or your right foot?"

Really, grow up a bit.