Rolls Royce cars to be made in German factory due to brexit?
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I think you would be surprised how many of them buy their car from Berkeley square and visit the goodwood facility before having the car shipped home. A big thing about RR is the hand crafted interior and traditional British methods etc. I can't see Rolls or Bentley leaving the UK anytime soon. Nissan and Honda would go first
kurt535 said:
Of course it can be shifted!! Some Arab/Chinese billionaire won't give a jot where his RR is made.
Yep, newsflash, most of the world doesn't have a clue about European geography. If it says Rolls Royce on the grill and it has some polished wood inside, then it is a Rolls Royce.In other news BMW have started the groundwork for getting a big UK government grant after threatening to move final assembly and wood polishing to Germany...
And looking into the future some politician will boast about investing in the future etc. when they give BMW a big government grant...
kurt535 said:
Of course it can be shifted!! Some Arab/Chinese billionaire won't give a jot where his RR is made.
I don't know about the Chinese side, but the guys in the UAE really do know a lot about their cars, from young to old ('cos they've ALL got flash cars). They buy cars to be different. Why buy a German Rolls Royce? Why not just buy a Maybach? Because it is all about the image!FF
Rude-boy said:
Yes I do.
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
"Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery." JR Saul.It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Raygun said:
If you said management and the unions that would be nearer the truth why there's hardly no 100% British cars anymore and then Mrs Thatcher finally killing it off with no more help, something that wouldn't happen in other countries.
Actually it was that nice Mr Blair who finally killed MGR, in a stitch up deal involving BWW, Rolls Royce and the question of a company pension fund in deficit partly due to the deliberate actions of one Gordon Brown. The timing of the "rug pulling" being such that it was done at 9.30 in the evening whilst john Towers was on a flight back from Shanghai......MGR was the victim, but the real story is so at odds with the received wisdom surrounding the event that it never gets an airing.
Thatcher actually gave the world the K series engine....a fab little unit until BMW got their hands on it...
Still, it's all academic now. On the subject of this thread? It's piffle. The article is just sensationalist nonsense.
andymadmak said:
Actually it was that nice Mr Blair who finally killed MGR, in a stitch up deal involving BWW, Rolls Royce and the question of a company pension fund in deficit partly due to the deliberate actions of one Gordon Brown. The timing of the "rug pulling" being such that it was done at 9.30 in the evening whilst john Towers was on a flight back from Shanghai......
MGR was the victim, but the real story is so at odds with the received wisdom surrounding the event that it never gets an airing.
Thatcher actually gave the world the K series engine....a fab little unit until BMW got their hands on it...
Still, it's all academic now. On the subject of this thread? It's piffle. The article is just sensationalist nonsense.
MGR was the victim, but the real story is so at odds with the received wisdom surrounding the event that it never gets an airing.
Thatcher actually gave the world the K series engine....a fab little unit until BMW got their hands on it...
Still, it's all academic now. On the subject of this thread? It's piffle. The article is just sensationalist nonsense.
craigjm said:
Thatcher gave the world the K-series engine??
She didn't design it.. She authorised the money for it's development when it was made clear to her that ARG needed something to replace the ageing engine ranges that they had (A series, E/R/S series etc) if they were to have any chance of survivalMurph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
if it does go there, I expect EU will allow the most skilled engineers to relocate to Germany to maintain the quality.
( we will reciprocate by allowing Baristas & Carrot pickers to stay
)
You assume that they would want to live in Germany... ( we will reciprocate by allowing Baristas & Carrot pickers to stay
)According to one PH'er hundreds are being leeched on a weekly basis already.
voyds9 said:
SpeckledJim said:
RR sell relatively few cars in the EU, if you remove the UK from the figures.
They sell a LOT of their cars in the USA, Far, and Middle East.
If the post-Brexit UK establishes free trade agreements with the above, which is the plan, there's no chance RR will move manufacturing to Germany.
They'd be more likely to move production of regular BMWs to the UK.
How are we (EU) selling to those countries now, I don't remember trade deals with them.They sell a LOT of their cars in the USA, Far, and Middle East.
If the post-Brexit UK establishes free trade agreements with the above, which is the plan, there's no chance RR will move manufacturing to Germany.
They'd be more likely to move production of regular BMWs to the UK.
All the Remoaners going on about tariffs etc, well we will be selling the same cars, to the same people, under the same none deals as now.
So we have great access to the EU, and rubbish access to everywhere else. So in the case of RR, which sells far more cars in the UK + ROW than it does into the EU, the future is (potentially) much better than is currently the case.
Take a market like Singapore which levies something like 300% on imported luxury cars. If we can negotiate that down for our imports to Singapore, in return for a benefit to Singaporean trade into the UK, then the UK luxury car manufacturers (RR, Bentley, McLaren, Morgan, Jaguar) will have a huge benefit in comparison to all the other luxury car manufacturers (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) who are literally trapped inside the EU with no chance to benefit from this kind of mutually-beneficial freedom.
SpeckledJim said:
We (the UK, inside the EU) don't generally have deals with the rest of the world, because the EU don't permit us to make our own, and the EU has proved itself incapable of doing it for itself.
So we have great access to the EU, and rubbish access to everywhere else. So in the case of RR, which sells far more cars in the UK + ROW than it does into the EU, the future is (potentially) much better than is currently the case.
Take a market like Singapore which levies something like 300% on imported luxury cars. If we can negotiate that down for our imports to Singapore, in return for a benefit to Singaporean trade into the UK, then the UK luxury car manufacturers (RR, Bentley, McLaren, Morgan, Jaguar) will have a huge benefit in comparison to all the other luxury car manufacturers (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) who are literally trapped inside the EU with no chance to benefit from this kind of mutually-beneficial freedom.
Just how do the EU prevent us from selling to other countries?So we have great access to the EU, and rubbish access to everywhere else. So in the case of RR, which sells far more cars in the UK + ROW than it does into the EU, the future is (potentially) much better than is currently the case.
Take a market like Singapore which levies something like 300% on imported luxury cars. If we can negotiate that down for our imports to Singapore, in return for a benefit to Singaporean trade into the UK, then the UK luxury car manufacturers (RR, Bentley, McLaren, Morgan, Jaguar) will have a huge benefit in comparison to all the other luxury car manufacturers (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) who are literally trapped inside the EU with no chance to benefit from this kind of mutually-beneficial freedom.
SantaBarbara said:
Just how do the EU prevent us from selling to other countries?
Did you actually read the post you quoted?They don't. What they do is prevent beneficial deals for the UK that may not be as beneficial for specific groups within the wider EU.
The Singapore on is a great example. Switzerland has a FTA with them iirc., if we did too it would provide a huge competitive advantage for our car makers...
SantaBarbara said:
SpeckledJim said:
We (the UK, inside the EU) don't generally have deals with the rest of the world, because the EU don't permit us to make our own, and the EU has proved itself incapable of doing it for itself.
So we have great access to the EU, and rubbish access to everywhere else. So in the case of RR, which sells far more cars in the UK + ROW than it does into the EU, the future is (potentially) much better than is currently the case.
Take a market like Singapore which levies something like 300% on imported luxury cars. If we can negotiate that down for our imports to Singapore, in return for a benefit to Singaporean trade into the UK, then the UK luxury car manufacturers (RR, Bentley, McLaren, Morgan, Jaguar) will have a huge benefit in comparison to all the other luxury car manufacturers (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) who are literally trapped inside the EU with no chance to benefit from this kind of mutually-beneficial freedom.
Just how do the EU prevent us from selling to other countries?So we have great access to the EU, and rubbish access to everywhere else. So in the case of RR, which sells far more cars in the UK + ROW than it does into the EU, the future is (potentially) much better than is currently the case.
Take a market like Singapore which levies something like 300% on imported luxury cars. If we can negotiate that down for our imports to Singapore, in return for a benefit to Singaporean trade into the UK, then the UK luxury car manufacturers (RR, Bentley, McLaren, Morgan, Jaguar) will have a huge benefit in comparison to all the other luxury car manufacturers (Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) who are literally trapped inside the EU with no chance to benefit from this kind of mutually-beneficial freedom.
There's no EU trade deal with the USA, for example. Partly because the French vetoed US box-sets, because they're worried about French teenagers talking too much English. This is the level of bulls
t that we are mired in. They have been negotiating for decades. Decades.If we don't have to accommodate the parlous vocabulary of French teenagers, and any of the other petty worries of the other 27, we should (hopefully) be able to get something useful done for once.
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