Rolls Royce cars to be made in German factory due to brexit?
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///ajd said:
He obviously knows sweet FA about real supply chain logistics. He need to speak to some of our real JIT, MRP and Kanban experts here on PH.....
How they hell does he think this will go down with Merkel and the public in Germany? Bringing Rolls Royce to the fatherland? They'll absolutely hate that! They'll no doubt start calling the engines Merlins for added schadenfreude - sorry, glee!
You know nothing How they hell does he think this will go down with Merkel and the public in Germany? Bringing Rolls Royce to the fatherland? They'll absolutely hate that! They'll no doubt start calling the engines Merlins for added schadenfreude - sorry, glee!
Have you seen photos of the Rolls Royce car works?
Rude-boy said:
///ajd said:
Smiler. said:
Well you obviously can. Don't you ever get bored of it?
It seems not yet. Any comment on the Rolls story, or just attacking the messenger today?
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Murph7355 said:
TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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And unless you are a senior civil service mandarin involved in the Brexit negotiations it's unlikely you will be in a position to aid or hamper the process to any measurable degree.Comments on here are largely irrelevant. But the media harping on etc (irrespective of which side they favour) does not help the negotiating process IMO. Is it material? Mostly probably not. But if one side gets a vibe that the population of the other is unhappy, it could influence the course of action on 50:50 areas.
chrispmartha said:
Rubbish, someone moaning about brexit will have no impact whatsoever, I think leaving is a mistake but what I think or say matters not one bit interms of what companies will do after we leave. The most important people are the ones negotiating our leaving strategy, that's who you should be worried about not people moaning on a car forum
So public opinion is worthless & no one anywhere ever takes any notice of it.Righto.
Smiler. said:
So public opinion is worthless & no one anywhere ever takes any notice of it.
Righto.
Surely 'public opinion' is that 52% of those who voted are in favour of Brexit and thus their opinion is all that matters? Unless of course you are conceding that that's too small a majority to properly carry such significant decisions?Righto.
k off with your insulting comments!Smiler. said:
chrispmartha said:
Rubbish, someone moaning about brexit will have no impact whatsoever, I think leaving is a mistake but what I think or say matters not one bit interms of what companies will do after we leave. The most important people are the ones negotiating our leaving strategy, that's who you should be worried about not people moaning on a car forum
So public opinion is worthless & no one anywhere ever takes any notice of it.Righto.
kurt535 said:
''The most British of British cars may no longer be a British car...
Markus Duesmann, the head of purchasing for BMW, made the announcement during the week that the company are "extremely concerned that the Brexit talks have been so piecemeal and slow so far."
The second largest manufacturer of luxury vehicles in the world, BMW produce the Rolls Royce models in their British plants, and combined with other vehicle models, result in £2.4 (€2.7) billion in exports each year.
However, Duesmann said in an interview (via Bloomberg) that: "We’re already revising the logistics channels for the U.K., so that we’ll be able to manage the coming border, whichever duties will be in place in the end."
This is due to Britain's exit from the EU, which will most likely result in tariffs and other trade barriers being imposed on its cars and parts, which in turn will hike up the manufacturing and exporting costs of the vehicles.
A direct response to this will be to move the car-making plants abroad - quite possibly Munich, where the BMW headquarters is based - which will then see the Rolls Royce cars manufactured entirely in Germany.''
Looking good huh?!!!
Rolls-Eyes Markus Duesmann, the head of purchasing for BMW, made the announcement during the week that the company are "extremely concerned that the Brexit talks have been so piecemeal and slow so far."
The second largest manufacturer of luxury vehicles in the world, BMW produce the Rolls Royce models in their British plants, and combined with other vehicle models, result in £2.4 (€2.7) billion in exports each year.
However, Duesmann said in an interview (via Bloomberg) that: "We’re already revising the logistics channels for the U.K., so that we’ll be able to manage the coming border, whichever duties will be in place in the end."
This is due to Britain's exit from the EU, which will most likely result in tariffs and other trade barriers being imposed on its cars and parts, which in turn will hike up the manufacturing and exporting costs of the vehicles.
A direct response to this will be to move the car-making plants abroad - quite possibly Munich, where the BMW headquarters is based - which will then see the Rolls Royce cars manufactured entirely in Germany.''
Looking good huh?!!!
Where did you get that from, here?
Jo.co.uk
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/severe-case-irony-ever-...
Written by a so-called patriotic dick, Rory Cashin, who doesn't even know Rolls-Royce is hyphenated.
And scanning back through this thread it seems most others don't know either, apart from a couple.
On a car forum, eh? Rolls-Eyes
dandarez said:
Rolls-Eyes
Where did you get that from, here?
Jo.co.uk
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/severe-case-irony-ever-...
Written by a so-called patriotic dick, Rory Cashin, who doesn't even know Rolls-Royce is hyphenated.
And scanning back through this thread it seems most others don't know either, apart from a couple.
On a car forum, eh? Rolls-Eyes
It's good that you've cut to the crux of the matter.Where did you get that from, here?
Jo.co.uk
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/severe-case-irony-ever-...
Written by a so-called patriotic dick, Rory Cashin, who doesn't even know Rolls-Royce is hyphenated.
And scanning back through this thread it seems most others don't know either, apart from a couple.
On a car forum, eh? Rolls-Eyes
To balance the doom mongering, I am having the best year I've had since I went self-employed 9 years ago. I work with companies that are looking to invest in the UK and am at the point where I need to turn away work for the first time ever. My competitors are in a similar boat. These companies may not court the headlines but several are multi-nationals with other European options and the UK is still the preferred choice.
Dissident Dragon said:
To balance the doom mongering, I am having the best year I've had since I went self-employed 9 years ago. I work with companies that are looking to invest in the UK and am at the point where I need to turn away work for the first time ever. My competitors are in a similar boat. These companies may not court the headlines but several are multi-nationals with other European options and the UK is still the preferred choice.
Excellent news. Will the prospect of manufacture in Germany prejudice your imminent Rolls Royce order?amgmcqueen said:
kurt535 said:
''The most British of British cars may no longer be a British car...
Morgan?Let's pick apart the actual statement.
Firstly, the concept that tariffs will increase production costs due to parts being shipped from Germany to here.
Those parts would be eligible for Inward Processing Relief, something that can be enabled by spending £40k on an integrated system to manage the required data and automatic submission to HMRC prior to import.
So no, tariffs will have zero impact on production costs.
There could be an argument that tariffs which would apply to R-R's exports to Europe would have an effect on their success - however the obvious counters to that is that a) a R-R is by no means price sensitive, nor is it good value for money compared to the already existing S Class. B) they hardly export anything to Europe in comparison to their sales to the Middle East, US and far east - which are already subject in the main to tariffs and have had zero impact on their success.
Then there's the idea that R-R could become a 'German car' - the inference being shifting the plant to Germany. As the appeal of a Royce is predominantly the brand, as evidenced by their success when the S Class is actually an objectively better car for a significantly lower price, this is simply a non-starter. The appeal to the volume markets of R-R is heavily driven by the perception of British hand crafted production. Shifting that to a perception of Teutonic process and engineering would likely make a 'better' car, but a materially less appealing one.
On potential supply chain delays/variability - significantly outweighed by the product variability (applies to both MINI and R-R), the potential shift in supply chain lead time variability will be well within the existing calculations. Perhaps a tweak of a low percentage increase in inventory will be required, but certainly not enough to drive material changes in production location - the payback would not be decades but much longer than that...
What's happening, is exactly what you would expect any decent Exec level operator to do - use a change at governmental level to lobby for conditions that materially improve the trading conditions for the company they represent. Quite why there's shock or surprise at the pace of negotiations is unclear - they're following the exact model of every single EU negotiation of any type in the last twenty years!
Firstly, the concept that tariffs will increase production costs due to parts being shipped from Germany to here.
Those parts would be eligible for Inward Processing Relief, something that can be enabled by spending £40k on an integrated system to manage the required data and automatic submission to HMRC prior to import.
So no, tariffs will have zero impact on production costs.
There could be an argument that tariffs which would apply to R-R's exports to Europe would have an effect on their success - however the obvious counters to that is that a) a R-R is by no means price sensitive, nor is it good value for money compared to the already existing S Class. B) they hardly export anything to Europe in comparison to their sales to the Middle East, US and far east - which are already subject in the main to tariffs and have had zero impact on their success.
Then there's the idea that R-R could become a 'German car' - the inference being shifting the plant to Germany. As the appeal of a Royce is predominantly the brand, as evidenced by their success when the S Class is actually an objectively better car for a significantly lower price, this is simply a non-starter. The appeal to the volume markets of R-R is heavily driven by the perception of British hand crafted production. Shifting that to a perception of Teutonic process and engineering would likely make a 'better' car, but a materially less appealing one.
On potential supply chain delays/variability - significantly outweighed by the product variability (applies to both MINI and R-R), the potential shift in supply chain lead time variability will be well within the existing calculations. Perhaps a tweak of a low percentage increase in inventory will be required, but certainly not enough to drive material changes in production location - the payback would not be decades but much longer than that...
What's happening, is exactly what you would expect any decent Exec level operator to do - use a change at governmental level to lobby for conditions that materially improve the trading conditions for the company they represent. Quite why there's shock or surprise at the pace of negotiations is unclear - they're following the exact model of every single EU negotiation of any type in the last twenty years!
TTwiggy said:
Surely 'public opinion' is that 52% of those who voted are in favour of Brexit and thus their opinion is all that matters? Unless of course you are conceding that that's too small a majority to properly carry such significant decisions?
Are you still harping on about that?Sway said:
Let's pick apart the actual statement.
Firstly, the concept that tariffs will increase production costs due to parts being shipped from Germany to here.
Those parts would be eligible for Inward Processing Relief, something that can be enabled by spending £40k on an integrated system to manage the required data and automatic submission to HMRC prior to import.
So no, tariffs will have zero impact on production costs.
There could be an argument that tariffs which would apply to R-R's exports to Europe would have an effect on their success - however the obvious counters to that is that a) a R-R is by no means price sensitive, nor is it good value for money compared to the already existing S Class. B) they hardly export anything to Europe in comparison to their sales to the Middle East, US and far east - which are already subject in the main to tariffs and have had zero impact on their success.
Then there's the idea that R-R could become a 'German car' - the inference being shifting the plant to Germany. As the appeal of a Royce is predominantly the brand, as evidenced by their success when the S Class is actually an objectively better car for a significantly lower price, this is simply a non-starter. The appeal to the volume markets of R-R is heavily driven by the perception of British hand crafted production. Shifting that to a perception of Teutonic process and engineering would likely make a 'better' car, but a materially less appealing one.
On potential supply chain delays/variability - significantly outweighed by the product variability (applies to both MINI and R-R), the potential shift in supply chain lead time variability will be well within the existing calculations. Perhaps a tweak of a low percentage increase in inventory will be required, but certainly not enough to drive material changes in production location - the payback would not be decades but much longer than that...
What's happening, is exactly what you would expect any decent Exec level operator to do - use a change at governmental level to lobby for conditions that materially improve the trading conditions for the company they represent. Quite why there's shock or surprise at the pace of negotiations is unclear - they're following the exact model of every single EU negotiation of any type in the last twenty years!
Genuine question, looking at the applixcations for IPR it seems these need to be submitted to HMRC on a consignment by consignment basis not for a generic releif for all imports. Am I correct?Firstly, the concept that tariffs will increase production costs due to parts being shipped from Germany to here.
Those parts would be eligible for Inward Processing Relief, something that can be enabled by spending £40k on an integrated system to manage the required data and automatic submission to HMRC prior to import.
So no, tariffs will have zero impact on production costs.
There could be an argument that tariffs which would apply to R-R's exports to Europe would have an effect on their success - however the obvious counters to that is that a) a R-R is by no means price sensitive, nor is it good value for money compared to the already existing S Class. B) they hardly export anything to Europe in comparison to their sales to the Middle East, US and far east - which are already subject in the main to tariffs and have had zero impact on their success.
Then there's the idea that R-R could become a 'German car' - the inference being shifting the plant to Germany. As the appeal of a Royce is predominantly the brand, as evidenced by their success when the S Class is actually an objectively better car for a significantly lower price, this is simply a non-starter. The appeal to the volume markets of R-R is heavily driven by the perception of British hand crafted production. Shifting that to a perception of Teutonic process and engineering would likely make a 'better' car, but a materially less appealing one.
On potential supply chain delays/variability - significantly outweighed by the product variability (applies to both MINI and R-R), the potential shift in supply chain lead time variability will be well within the existing calculations. Perhaps a tweak of a low percentage increase in inventory will be required, but certainly not enough to drive material changes in production location - the payback would not be decades but much longer than that...
What's happening, is exactly what you would expect any decent Exec level operator to do - use a change at governmental level to lobby for conditions that materially improve the trading conditions for the company they represent. Quite why there's shock or surprise at the pace of negotiations is unclear - they're following the exact model of every single EU negotiation of any type in the last twenty years!
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