Drugs in jail - how?
Discussion
NorthDave said:
The more I read about the war on drugs the more I think we should just legalise everything. The prison population would plummet overnight (reducing the tax burden) and I can't believe the uptake of drugs would increase. Most people who live in a big city could get drugs very easily I reckon so there isn't much difference.
Not just big cities, I wouldn't be surprised if every town with a population above 5000 had at least one heroin dealer. It has been said you could drop a junkie on the surface of mars and they'd find somewhere to score.Agree on the legalisation, why on earth you'd want this stuff controlled by criminals instead of health professionals is just insane. Sadly too many think something being illegal means it's also unobtainable.
Violence in prisons probably has more to do with the fact that there are bad people there, all in one place. Drugs can increase or lessen violence, depending on the circumstances.
Adding defcon level security to prevent drug entry is hardly a priority when up against far bigger issues such as overcrowding, Victorian prison buildings, very poor offender rehabilitation pathways, and terrible understaffing.
Adding defcon level security to prevent drug entry is hardly a priority when up against far bigger issues such as overcrowding, Victorian prison buildings, very poor offender rehabilitation pathways, and terrible understaffing.
Suppliers to HMP are often targeted too - catering, cleaning, maintenance etc type of suppliers.
When I worked in vehicle rental the North West, one of my customers was training provider to prisoners at HMP Manchester/Strangeways. One of his team came under a lot of pressure to smuggle contraband into the prison, to the point where he quit his job and moved his family to Ireland for their safety after he refused.
When I worked in vehicle rental the North West, one of my customers was training provider to prisoners at HMP Manchester/Strangeways. One of his team came under a lot of pressure to smuggle contraband into the prison, to the point where he quit his job and moved his family to Ireland for their safety after he refused.
mickytruelove said:
i have always wondered why they do not just extend sentances by 10 years if you get caught with drugs while in jail. Surely that is an incentive not to do drugs.
Do you own shares in G4S or Serco by any chance? It's certainly an incentive to keep the prisons full of people. The second offence is another ten years? and then another ten years for a third offence?
I take it you dont mind the increase in tax to pay for the above as well.
Drones were mentioned earlier in the thread......
“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
wombleh said:
NorthDave said:
The more I read about the war on drugs the more I think we should just legalise everything. The prison population would plummet overnight (reducing the tax burden) and I can't believe the uptake of drugs would increase. Most people who live in a big city could get drugs very easily I reckon so there isn't much difference.
Not just big cities, I wouldn't be surprised if every town with a population above 5000 had at least one heroin dealer. It has been said you could drop a junkie on the surface of mars and they'd find somewhere to score.Agree on the legalisation, why on earth you'd want this stuff controlled by criminals instead of health professionals is just insane. Sadly too many think something being illegal means it's also unobtainable.
BlackLabel said:
Drones were mentioned earlier in the thread......
“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
Heard this on the news yesterday, there was an interview with a senior Prison person that was quite telling. The chap said these drones came "literally out of nowhere" and that their "Secure perimeter was breached with ease." Drones are hardly new tech and remote control planes and helicopters have been around in a form that would allow drug-drops for at least 30 years, if not as easily as with a drone. The secure perimeter was/is nothing of the sort.“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
98elise said:
All drugs? I'm not sure that having Heroin etc available in Sainsbury's is a good idea, any more than allowing then to sell moonshine or wine made from antifreeze.
Heroin used to be available on prescription in Boots. This of course was before our "war" on drugs handed distribution to criminals.98elise said:
All drugs? I'm not sure that having Heroin etc available in Sainsbury's is a good idea, any more than allowing then to sell moonshine or wine made from antifreeze.
But they sell wine and spirits, why would they sell Heroin cut with cement? I'd go with legalise and licencing for all drugs too. paulrockliffe said:
BlackLabel said:
Drones were mentioned earlier in the thread......
“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
Heard this on the news yesterday, there was an interview with a senior Prison person that was quite telling. The chap said these drones came "literally out of nowhere" and that their "Secure perimeter was breached with ease." Drones are hardly new tech and remote control planes and helicopters have been around in a form that would allow drug-drops for at least 30 years, if not as easily as with a drone. The secure perimeter was/is nothing of the sort.“The ringleader of a gang who smuggled drugs and phones into prisons using drones has been jailed for seven years and two months.
Former armed robber Craig Hickinbottom, 35, organised the flights from behind bars, Birmingham Crown Court was told.
His gang put prohibited items worth an estimated £1m into jails as far apart as the West Midlands and Scotland.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/...
t there, it's a hellhole. After a couple of weeks he had the place in lockdown and organised a team from outside to go through it with a nit comb. No one was allowed to phone or email out.On one wing they found 49 phones. He has not held back from accusing colleagues from being corrupt and has asked his staff to be aware of the 'cancer' inside. He's very proactive and will clean it up IMO.
They are using dead rats now.
“Drugs, tobacco and mobile phones were smuggled into a prison stuffed inside dead rats.
The items were sewn inside the bodies of three rats found by officers in early March in the grounds of HMP Guys Marsh near Shaftesbury, Dorset.
It was the first recorded instance of rats being used in that way, the Prison Service said.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-47670...
“Drugs, tobacco and mobile phones were smuggled into a prison stuffed inside dead rats.
The items were sewn inside the bodies of three rats found by officers in early March in the grounds of HMP Guys Marsh near Shaftesbury, Dorset.
It was the first recorded instance of rats being used in that way, the Prison Service said.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-47670...
BlackLabel said:
They are using dead rats now.
“Drugs, tobacco and mobile phones were smuggled into a prison stuffed inside dead rats.
The items were sewn inside the bodies of three rats found by officers in early March in the grounds of HMP Guys Marsh near Shaftesbury, Dorset.
It was the first recorded instance of rats being used in that way, the Prison Service said.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-47670...
Everytime ive visited a prison ive had to leave my dead rat at reception, and then collected it again when I leave. It really seems like basic security procedures just aren't being followed.“Drugs, tobacco and mobile phones were smuggled into a prison stuffed inside dead rats.
The items were sewn inside the bodies of three rats found by officers in early March in the grounds of HMP Guys Marsh near Shaftesbury, Dorset.
It was the first recorded instance of rats being used in that way, the Prison Service said.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-47670...
Started a thread on this but it's been shut down.
These are not difficult issues to resolve surely? String some netting between the walls and the building. Problem solved.
Visitors is apparently the most common route. Doris puts a few tablets into her knickers, slips them to her bloke during visiting time. Again, dead easy. Sheet of glass between them, converse through phones. Problem solved.
These are supposed to be among the most secure buildings in the country, how hard can it be?
These are not difficult issues to resolve surely? String some netting between the walls and the building. Problem solved.
Visitors is apparently the most common route. Doris puts a few tablets into her knickers, slips them to her bloke during visiting time. Again, dead easy. Sheet of glass between them, converse through phones. Problem solved.
These are supposed to be among the most secure buildings in the country, how hard can it be?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff