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scenario8 said:
I do find it so disappointing that in recent years having (what previously might have been considered) a decent education has become a bad thing and that "elitism" has been added to the list of "isms" on the naughty step.
Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
Nothing wrong with a decent education but when you use it to berate other peoples opinions is when the problem starts.Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
You could argue that being an expert in particle physics is not exactly useful in everyday life when you have no idea how to change a plug,(met quite a few of them).
TTwiggy said:
Smiler. said:
Say the person who has opinions on what & where others post on a public forum.
Then suggests responders are stalking.
I guess you definitely give a s
t about that then.
Someone has been here for 2 months and almost all of their posts are full of warnings about 'secular war' (whatever that is) and 'them' outbreeding 'us'. I think that's worth commenting on as, speaking as someone who has been here over a decade, I don't think it's what PH should be about - I'm all for a bit of debate but that sort of stuff belongs on Stormfront.Then suggests responders are stalking.
I guess you definitely give a s
t about that then.A separate issue is Tom's personal problems with me. And I'd just prefer it if he didn't follow me around the forum making snide remarks. He should stick to reporting me and trying to get me banned
But you're not a exactly stranger to dishing out snide remarks.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the delivery of an awful lot of posts are snide, petty, aggressive, supercilious & not conducive to debating anything.
But it's currently acceptable as free speech so I just tend to cringe & ignore these days.
PH has very tribal enclaves which for those of us with the ability to have views at odds with most of them, means potentially perma-rage.
Funnily enough, I know you think I have strong views on things but you've never expanded when I've asked what you think they are.
Anyway, personally, I really don't like all the confrontation as I think it's totally counter productive on every level.
Idiotic views & positions will always be just that, but to those with the opposite of yours (or mine), squabbling over them achieves nothing.
Calling out is one thing but after that, pretty pointless.
So, for my part, I apologise to you where I have been guilty of this in the past & it would be nice to exchange fairer words in the future when the circumstances arise .
also, in before some jolly type chips in with "get a room"
Funkycoldribena said:
Breadvan72 said:
But, darling, your not in any way weird or creepy obsession keeps me here!
Don't worry,I gain some schadenfreude when I read your little anti brexit slip ins on various threads.Keeps me here!Vocal Minority said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Breadvan72 said:
But, darling, your not in any way weird or creepy obsession keeps me here!
Don't worry,I gain some schadenfreude when I read your little anti brexit slip ins on various threads.Keeps me here!scenario8 said:
I do find it so disappointing that in recent years having (what previously might have been considered) a decent education has become a bad thing and that "elitism" has been added to the list of "isms" on the naughty step.
Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
Anti-intellectualism, disparagement of education, and taking a Bulldog pride in being ill educated have long been British traits, regrettably, and they have possibly worsened lately. You don't need to be a tinfoil conspiracy loon to see that some wealthy interests might be keen on keeping a large chunk of the population ignorant and frightened, and encouraging those people to jeer at anyone who dares to read, question, analyse and so on is part of the programme. Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
Breadvan72 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Vocal Minority said:
Anyone else sensing a little frisson of homo eroticism in this? I think it's sweet.
Maybe I'm female?Does that apply to the internet too?
Smiler. said:
Fair enough.
But you're not a exactly stranger to dishing out snide remarks.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the delivery of an awful lot of posts are snide, petty, aggressive, supercilious & not conducive to debating anything.
But it's currently acceptable as free speech so I just tend to cringe & ignore these days.
PH has very tribal enclaves which for those of us with the ability to have views at odds with most of them, means potentially perma-rage.
Funnily enough, I know you think I have strong views on things but you've never expanded when I've asked what you think they are.
Anyway, personally, I really don't like all the confrontation as I think it's totally counter productive on every level.
Idiotic views & positions will always be just that, but to those with the opposite of yours (or mine), squabbling over them achieves nothing.
Calling out is one thing but after that, pretty pointless.
So, for my part, I apologise to you where I have been guilty of this in the past & it would be nice to exchange fairer words in the future when the circumstances arise .
also, in before some jolly type chips in with "get a room"
I don't think we've ever had a 'problem' have we? I think we probably disagree on many fundamental points but my recollection is that we have been able - mostly - to discuss them politely.But you're not a exactly stranger to dishing out snide remarks.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the delivery of an awful lot of posts are snide, petty, aggressive, supercilious & not conducive to debating anything.
But it's currently acceptable as free speech so I just tend to cringe & ignore these days.
PH has very tribal enclaves which for those of us with the ability to have views at odds with most of them, means potentially perma-rage.
Funnily enough, I know you think I have strong views on things but you've never expanded when I've asked what you think they are.
Anyway, personally, I really don't like all the confrontation as I think it's totally counter productive on every level.
Idiotic views & positions will always be just that, but to those with the opposite of yours (or mine), squabbling over them achieves nothing.
Calling out is one thing but after that, pretty pointless.
So, for my part, I apologise to you where I have been guilty of this in the past & it would be nice to exchange fairer words in the future when the circumstances arise .
also, in before some jolly type chips in with "get a room"
I'm well aware of how I must come across on here. And while I'm not looking for sympathy I would explain that when I first ventured into NP&E I was interested in a good debate. I soon found however that as my views did not align with the majority it seemed fair game to dish out abuse to me (lefty, traitor, apologist - those are some of the friendlier ones). Initially I responded in kind but getting wound up and aggressive is rarely productive so I fully admit that I've now defaulted to a general 'piss-take' position when I read some of the more extreme stuff on here. I'd love a proper, but polite, 'argument', but as you say, this place is tribal so it's hard to find one.
Breadvan72 said:
scenario8 said:
I do find it so disappointing that in recent years having (what previously might have been considered) a decent education has become a bad thing and that "elitism" has been added to the list of "isms" on the naughty step.
Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
Anti-intellectualism, disparagement of education, and taking a Bulldog pride in being ill educated have long been British traits, regrettably, and they have possibly worsened lately. You don't need to be a tinfoil conspiracy loon to see that some wealthy interests might be keen on keeping a large chunk of the population ignorant and frightened, and encouraging those people to jeer at anyone who dares to read, question, analyse and so on is part of the programme. Same for liberalism. When did liberalism become so awful? And why?
Those are rhetorical questions, by the way.
Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
Funkycoldribena said:
Nah,5" 2", 8st,big boobs with a thing for men with oak desks piled with paper and an ink well.
Oak desks are for country town solicitors. When I was a sprog I had a mahogany desk (yeah, rich mahogany an' all) , but now my desk is (reinforced) glass, which is more fun in many ways, but sometimes requires a can of Pledge the morning after. I used to have an ink well, but I flung it at the devil in a fit of visionary rage one day.TTwiggy said:
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I'm well aware of how I must come across on here. And while I'm not looking for sympathy I would explain that when I first ventured into NP&E I was interested in a good debate. I soon found however that as my views did not align with the majority it seemed fair game to dish out abuse to me (lefty, traitor, apologist - those are some of the friendlier ones). Initially I responded in kind but getting wound up and aggressive is rarely productive so I fully admit that I've now defaulted to a general 'piss-take' position when I read some of the more extreme stuff on here. I'd love a proper, but polite, 'argument', but as you say, this place is tribal so it's hard to find one.
I hear you, bro.I'm well aware of how I must come across on here. And while I'm not looking for sympathy I would explain that when I first ventured into NP&E I was interested in a good debate. I soon found however that as my views did not align with the majority it seemed fair game to dish out abuse to me (lefty, traitor, apologist - those are some of the friendlier ones). Initially I responded in kind but getting wound up and aggressive is rarely productive so I fully admit that I've now defaulted to a general 'piss-take' position when I read some of the more extreme stuff on here. I'd love a proper, but polite, 'argument', but as you say, this place is tribal so it's hard to find one.
Breadvan72 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Wont be long before you flounce from here like you did sp&l.
Those massaging your ego here will get bored as well.Novelty wears thin quickly.
But, darling, your not in any way weird or creepy obsession keeps me here!Those massaging your ego here will get bored as well.Novelty wears thin quickly.
Breadvan72 said:
Anti-intellectualism, disparagement of education, and taking a Bulldog pride in being ill educated have long been British traits, regrettably, and they have possibly worsened lately. You don't need to be a tinfoil conspiracy loon to see that some wealthy interests might be keen on keeping a large chunk of the population ignorant and frightened, and encouraging those people to jeer at anyone who dares to read, question, analyse and so on is part of the programme.
Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
Really, just how far can you get up your own arse mate ?.....elitist, leftist, liberalist mono speak sucked from the nipple of your monochrome iPhone that just regurgitated all the latest Guardianesk clap trap !Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
I think if this teaches us anything its that each individual believes they live in 'the real world' and other worlds are somehow bubbles are made up.
The 'elite' feel they are right because they are educated.
Those who disparage education believe they are right because there is a broad consensus of what has happened with your mates down the pub (as if you would somehow associate with people of wildly differing views if you get so cross about them).
I think all we can really tell is that the 'real world' is a fk lot more complicated than anyone realises. Or maybe can understand. I don't understand it. At least I have the food grace to admit the fact
In my opinion some like to boil the problem down to 'them immigrants innit' - as it gives it a focus, something that is tangibly different from them good old days (nothing like the effluxation of time to polish a turd) - and then an easy fix.
The 'elite' feel they are right because they are educated.
Those who disparage education believe they are right because there is a broad consensus of what has happened with your mates down the pub (as if you would somehow associate with people of wildly differing views if you get so cross about them).
I think all we can really tell is that the 'real world' is a f
k lot more complicated than anyone realises. Or maybe can understand. I don't understand it. At least I have the food grace to admit the fact In my opinion some like to boil the problem down to 'them immigrants innit' - as it gives it a focus, something that is tangibly different from them good old days (nothing like the effluxation of time to polish a turd) - and then an easy fix.
Stickyfinger said:
Breadvan72 said:
Anti-intellectualism, disparagement of education, and taking a Bulldog pride in being ill educated have long been British traits, regrettably, and they have possibly worsened lately. You don't need to be a tinfoil conspiracy loon to see that some wealthy interests might be keen on keeping a large chunk of the population ignorant and frightened, and encouraging those people to jeer at anyone who dares to read, question, analyse and so on is part of the programme.
Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
Really, just how far can you get up your own arse mate ?.....elitist, leftist, liberalist mono speak sucked from the nipple of your monochrome iPhone that just regurgitated all the latest Guardianesk clap trap !Add to this the internet and the propagation of the idea that all opinions have equal weight, and off you go! The net famously contains all the clever, but also all the stupid. It has the capacity to make us all smarter and more united, but it often makes us dumber and more divided.
One of the current ironies is that many people who bang on about the real world in fact live in an unreal world that is distorted by biased and dishonest media. The academic researcher that NTM may so despise may in fact be closer to reality than the pub blowhard secure in his Daily Mail opinions. I am routinely told that I do not live in the real world because of my job, which is being a litigation lawyer, and because of where I live, which is London. My job introduces me to things like businesses failing or doing well, to government decisions, to school and hospital stuff, to mental health issues, to immigration issues, and sometimes even to prison stuff. But none of that is the real world, I am told. In the area where I live there are wide variances of affluence and poverty. There is social and ethnic diversity. There is crime. There are transport problems. There are homeless people. But this is not the real world. The real world is apparently a leafy cul de sac in a suburb or small town.
Stickyfinger said:
Really, just how far can you get up your own arse mate ?.....elitist, leftist, liberalist mono speak sucked from the nipple of your monochrome iPhone that just regurgitated all the latest Guardianesk clap trap !
Harsh but fair!PS: Guardianesque, please. Details matter.
PPS: it's a Samsung. Because cheap-ass.
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