Is Man Utd's Lukaku chant racist?
Discussion
TwigtheWonderkid said:
drainbrain said:
Another interpreter might say that the yobbos are acclaiming him as a 'big swinging dick' in the football jungle, and that his colour isn't important or relevant as it's his soccer pre-eminence that inspires the 'compliment' about his penis.
Edited by drainbrain on Sunday 24th September 19:01
Yeah....if you say so.
It should also be said that even W. Shakespeare would have struggled to find a rhyme for 'genius'. 'Penis' isn't perfect, but it's not bad. I imagine that caused the chant's author a furrowed brow for a fair while.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It's not, if you've seen their penis and it's large. But if you're assuming it's large because they're black, that's racist.
Like assuming an Asian owns a corner shop, a Jew is frugal with his money etc. None of them are insults, as owning your own shop and being frugal with money are good things, but the history behind those generalisations is about the demonisation of certain minorities.
I really suggest that if you're not on a wind up, to get a life.Like assuming an Asian owns a corner shop, a Jew is frugal with his money etc. None of them are insults, as owning your own shop and being frugal with money are good things, but the history behind those generalisations is about the demonisation of certain minorities.
drainbrain said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
drainbrain said:
Another interpreter might say that the yobbos are acclaiming him as a 'big swinging dick' in the football jungle, and that his colour isn't important or relevant as it's his soccer pre-eminence that inspires the 'compliment' about his penis.
Edited by drainbrain on Sunday 24th September 19:01
Yeah....if you say so.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Keep telling yourself that often enough and even you might start to believe it.
Pssst: It Woz Romelu wot told me.....Lukaku previously released a statement via the club’s official Twitter account, saying: “ Fans have meant well with their songs , but let’s move on together.”
Obviously the sensation hungry media have left out the bit where he condemns the fans and their chant for upsetting him with their insulting racial stereotyping.
drainbrain said:
Pssst: It Woz Romelu wot told me.....
Lukaku previously released a statement via the club’s official Twitter account, saying: “ Fans have meant well with their songs , but let’s move on together.”
Obviously the sensation hungry media have left out the bit where he condemns the fans and their chant for upsetting him with their insulting racial stereotyping.
The point has been raised a few times, just because he doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean it isn't. The media have used words as controversial so tbh they are not really clear, as a lot of things, even though PH would make out, are not clear cut.Lukaku previously released a statement via the club’s official Twitter account, saying: “ Fans have meant well with their songs , but let’s move on together.”
Obviously the sensation hungry media have left out the bit where he condemns the fans and their chant for upsetting him with their insulting racial stereotyping.
The Spruce goose said:
The point has been raised a few times, just because he doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean it isn't.
So now one can be offensive even if no-one's offended?? Hmmm. Methinks that's maybe a bit more of a triumph for the Easily (and Unnecessarily) Offended gang than they deserve.If my mate asks me about the bird I dated at the weekend and I say "she's a typical Scandinavian. Y'know, blonde hair blue eyes..." that's offensive because it is racial stereotyping, is it?
Inigma said:
He'll sleep with your nan,
He'll sleep with your nan,
That fat balding scouser,
He'll sleep with your nan.
.
.
.
.
You fat b4stard, you fat b4stard
He's fat,
He's scouse,
He's gonna rob your house
Wayne Wooney, Wayne Wooney.
Maybe not racist, but defiantly unsavoury.
The first of those is very possible true. He'll sleep with your nan,
That fat balding scouser,
He'll sleep with your nan.
.
.
.
.
You fat b4stard, you fat b4stard
He's fat,
He's scouse,
He's gonna rob your house
Wayne Wooney, Wayne Wooney.
Maybe not racist, but defiantly unsavoury.
drainbrain said:
The Spruce goose said:
The point has been raised a few times, just because he doesn't find it offensive doesn't mean it isn't.
So now one can be offensive even if no-one's offended?? In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
drainbrain said:
So now one can be offensive even if no-one's offended?? Hmmm. Methinks that's maybe a bit more of a triumph for the Easily (and Unnecessarily) Offended gang than they deserve.
If my mate asks me about the bird I dated at the weekend and I say "she's a typical Scandinavian. Y'know, blonde hair blue eyes..." that's offensive because it is racial stereotyping, is it?
This is why on PH I guess a lot just don't get it because maybe one day it isn't deemed offensive the next it is. Times change, people become reflective on decisions and social norms, they start to question them , this is social progression. If my mate asks me about the bird I dated at the weekend and I say "she's a typical Scandinavian. Y'know, blonde hair blue eyes..." that's offensive because it is racial stereotyping, is it?
It is like colored was used to for black people for example, it become offensive in its use, probably because it was used in apartheid and segregation era in the USA as a derogatory term.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Monday 25th September 14:24
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just because he isn't offended, doesn't mean no one is. If I launch a verbal racist attack on someone , he might laugh it off and not be remotely fussed. Others that hear it may be, and if they reported it, I would still be guilty of the offence.
In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
Is launching a verbal racist attack on someone the same thing as chanting a rhyme of admiration at someone at the forefront of your tribe in praise of their achievements and including a penis reference that the male stereotype is supposed to find positive and complimentary? In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
The chant wasn't aimed at a race. It was specifically aimed at one person. Given the chanters' dependence on his prowess to further the tribe's aims it's not really very sensible to suggest they were trying to upset him. In fact quite the opposite. If anything they were trying to give him a lift!
There is absolutely no doubt that someone and maybe more than one person in the crowd found the chant to be racist and offensive. Mercifully the Over Sensitive Easily Unnecessarily Offended Club remains small in numbers although capable of making a disproportionate noise about matters that mostly (if not entirely) exist in their own minds.
In this particular case interpreting the chant as some kind of offensive racist stereotyping incident is a perfect example of negative overthink. Mountain out of molehill comes to mind too.
drainbrain said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just because he isn't offended, doesn't mean no one is. If I launch a verbal racist attack on someone , he might laugh it off and not be remotely fussed. Others that hear it may be, and if they reported it, I would still be guilty of the offence.
In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
Is launching a verbal racist attack on someone the same thing as chanting a rhyme of admiration at someone at the forefront of your tribe in praise of their achievements and including a penis reference that the male stereotype is supposed to find positive and complimentary? In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
drainbrain said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just because he isn't offended, doesn't mean no one is. If I launch a verbal racist attack on someone , he might laugh it off and not be remotely fussed. Others that hear it may be, and if they reported it, I would still be guilty of the offence.
In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
Is launching a verbal racist attack on someone the same thing as chanting a rhyme of admiration at someone at the forefront of your tribe in praise of their achievements and including a penis reference that the male stereotype is supposed to find positive and complimentary? In the case of RL, there's 70K people in the crowd. I find it hard to believe no one thought it was racist and offensive.
is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.
Ayahuasca said:
That is correct.
is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.
The Easily Offended can get offended by anything at anytime. Swearing. Farting. Bad breath. Man U beating your team at home. You name it, they're offended by it. So it's highly likely someone in the crowd was offended by the chant, yes. Especially when the big swinging dick scored the winner!is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.
Were they justified in being offended by the chant? Of course not. Why would they be? Because of the mere mention of the word 'penis'? Or 'bellend'? They probably think so. And the fact that the chant's subject is black just gives them a doorway of ugly opportunity to get racism involved in the mix.
drainbrain said:
Ayahuasca said:
That is correct.
is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.
The Easily Offended can get offended by anything at anytime. Swearing. Farting. Bad breath. Man U beating your team at home. You name it, they're offended by it. So it's highly likely someone in the crowd was offended by the chant, yes. Especially when the big swinging dick scored the winner!is there any evidence that anyone who heard the chanting was offended? I mean heard the chanting, not 'heard about' the chanting.
Were they justified in being offended by the chant? Of course not. Why would they be? Because of the mere mention of the word 'penis'? Or 'bellend'? They probably think so. And the fact that the chant's subject is black just gives them a doorway of ugly opportunity to get racism involved in the mix.
The question is, do people have a right not to be offended?
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