Is Man Utd's Lukaku chant racist?

[BigMon]

Mr2Mike said:

I wonder how many perpetually offended snowflakes think that white opinions don't matter?

Indeed, because white opinions regarding facile generalisations about the length of a black bloke's schlong and whether or not he might find it offensive matter a great deal.

[Mr2Mike]

BigMon said:

Indeed, because white opinions regarding facile generalisations about the length of a black bloke's schlong and whether or not he might find it offensive matter a great deal.

Here's an idea; why not let the bloke speak for himself rather than deciding to be offended on his behalf?

[popeyewhite]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Are you thick or what?

And good afternoon to you too.

Look up the phrase and you'll find - as I've already said - social norms apply to certain sections of society. For instance it's a social norm to be rude to people you'll never meet on the internet, most likely explanation is anonymity and cowardice. Doesn't mean everybody on the internet has a potty mouth.

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

You're being obtuse now. And as I said feel free not to adapt, worked out well for the Jim Davidson and Ron Atkinson's of this world I guess.

Nope,

bhstewie said:

Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.

In this you are 100% incorrect.
How am I being obtuse?

[Jinx]

A societal norm yesterday:

[popeyewhite]

[TwigtheWonderkid]

popeyewhite said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Are you thick or what?

And good afternoon to you too.

Look up the phrase and you'll find - as I've already said - social norms apply to certain sections of society.

You seem to want to deliberately derail the thread away from it's purpose. If you're happy to be stuck in 1973 and think there's no need to move on, then fine. I'll leave you to the Black & White minstrel show in the hope that others might actually have something interesting to contribute to the discussion.

[bitchstewie]

popeyewhite said:

In this you are 100% incorrect.
How am I being obtuse?

Because context matters and you seem to not want to see that or choose to ignore it.

In some circumstances not fitting in with societal norms simply means people think you're "a bit weird" or antisocial or vegetarian or whatever because there are lots of societal norms and they aren't all the same.

References to "black pudding" and all this st about how it isn't like it used to be does in some contexts mark people out as a dinosaur in my opinion.

[Jinx]

bhstewie said:

References to "black pudding" and all this st about how it isn't like it used to be does in some contexts mark people out as a dinosaur in my opinion.

Black pudding is racist now? Is white pudding still ok or shall I tell my Irish family that breakfast is so 1970s?

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

Because context matters and you seem to not want to see that or choose to ignore it.

The context is you don't know what the term 'social norm' means. Sometimes when you bullst on the internet you get caught out, sometimes you get away with it. Your bad luck I've got an O level in sociology

[BigMon]

Mr2Mike said:

Here's an idea; why not let the bloke speak for himself rather than deciding to be offended on his behalf?

Who said I'm offended on his behalf?

I can see why it's a bit daft to sing songs about a black bloke having a big knob and you don't seem to have a problem with it.

I think that says everything to be honest. But feel free to chuck in some more 'liberal snowflake' stuff if it make you feel better.

[bitchstewie]

popeyewhite said:

bhstewie said:

Because context matters and you seem to not want to see that or choose to ignore it.

The context is you don't know what the term 'social norm' means. Sometimes when you bullst on the internet you get caught out, sometimes you get away with it. Your bad luck I've got an O level in sociology

If I've used the wrong term I'm certainly not above being corrected, but 'd like to think the point was reasonably clear and reasonably fair - it's not the 70's and most of society gets that and acts accordingly.

[bitchstewie]

Jinx said:

bhstewie said:

References to "black pudding" and all this st about how it isn't like it used to be does in some contexts mark people out as a dinosaur in my opinion.

Black pudding is racist now? Is white pudding still ok or shall I tell my Irish family that breakfast is so 1970s?

I'm not a big fan of throwing words like racist around, but when you use the term to refer to a black mans knob in 2017 it's a bit weird to say the very least.

[Pothole]

bhstewie said:

popeyewhite said:

bhstewie said:

Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.

'Societal norms' are simply established methods of behaviour accepted by certain sections of society. An individual does not have to adapt at all. Also an individual is not a 'dinosaur' for not adapting - e.g. Some might say the social norm for young ladies in Newcastle on a night out is binge drinking, throwing up, fighting etc... Is a lady who doesn't take part a dinosaur?

You're being obtuse now. And as I said feel free not to adapt, worked out well for the Jim Davidson and Ron Atkinson's of this world I guess.

Jim Davidson's on tour from the end of October until the end of April next year...I reckon he'd say it's worked out fine.

[bitchstewie]

Pothole said:

Jim Davidson's on tour from the end of October until the end of April next year...I reckon he'd say it's worked out fine.

I must give him the credit he deserves for the work he does for the forces and charity as I've really nothing against him, he was just the first name that popped into my head if I had to think of someone of a generation where time's perhaps moved on a little where he hasn't.

I wish him the very best of luck with his tour, but there's probably a few reasons he's doing the Cwmbran Congress Theatre rather than being on TV any more.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

philv said:

Followed all this on talksport the other day.
Presenters were up in arms about how this was racist and vile and shoul'nt be going on.
Inviting callers to phone in and disagree. Then shouting them down.

5 minutes later they're talking about tyson fury (of homophobic, etc fame) wishing him the best for his return to the ring, etc.

Firstly, the talkSPORT debate was nothing like that. Durham said it was racist but I never heard the word vile mentioned. What was clear was that many of the callers was completely clueless about the history behind the myth, and in that respect they got an education, which is no bad thing.

Secondly, it's not Tyson Fury who is fighting, but Hughie Fury, who to my knowledge has said nothing controversial at all.

[Pothole]

bhstewie said:

Pothole said:

Jim Davidson's on tour from the end of October until the end of April next year...I reckon he'd say it's worked out fine.

I must give him the credit he deserves for the work he does for the forces and charity as I've really nothing against him, he was just the first name that popped into my head if I had to think of someone of a generation where time's perhaps moved on a little where he hasn't.

I wish him the very best of luck with his tour, but there's probably a few reasons he's doing the Cwmbran Congress Theatre rather than being on TV any more.

That would be that b*stard Societal Norm!

Which venue have you booked for?

[ICallCustard]

The tranmere Wrexham match has been interrupted as some of the fans threw objects at the Wrexham players. One of which was a blow up sheep. Wonder if this will get the same reaction

[TwigtheWonderkid]

ICallCustard said:

The tranmere Wrexham match has been interrupted as some of the fans threw objects at the Wrexham players. One of which was a blow up sheep. Wonder if this will get the same reaction

Do you think an English fan throwing a blow up sheep at a welsh player is the same as a white fan throwing a banana at a black player? If the answer to that is no, then it kind of answers your question. If the answer is yes, then I think you need some history lessons.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

bhstewie said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

bhstewie said:

Point is you have to change with the times and it isn't the 70's any more.

No you don’t .

Correct, you don't but adapt or die as they say.

Choose not to but don't be surprised if you're looked upon as a dinosaur.

Dinosaur, or, someone who might just still have an ounce of common sense, the ability to see the context and of course procession of a sense of perspective.
Again, you don’t have to adapt either, who says you do? Is it all the people who are trying hard to find a problem in everything, to find a confrontation and of course to find offence, oh yes, better change to keep them happy as they are sooooo important.
Seems that people these days are making it their mission to meddle in other people’s lives and instead should maybe look at themselves.

Broadly speaking "societal norms" mean you have to adapt.

Absolutely you can be like Alf Garnet in the corner making "funny jokes" about these things and saying it was all better in the 70's and personally I'm not going to get especially bent out of shape by it, but I do wonder if those who think this kind of thing is "funny" would have the courage of their convictions and say it in front of their HR department, the Police, or with this particular example a black person?

Typical assumptive ignorant liberal garbage, did you just make a sweeping ignorant statement?

Explain to me in intricate detail where I personally referenced anything about the seventies, Alf Garnet, Jim Davidson or any others?
Explain to me where I personally praised any of the above or justified any kind of casual racism that you feel they, and only they it would seem, glorified or represented?
Explain to me why you find it so so hard to accept others points of view when strive so very hard to point out that we should be accepting of all, if someone chooses not to adapt to your particular way of thinking do you usually try to link them to 70’s stereotypes, are you that daft?
I’ve never praised racism in anything I have said, I have offered a possible alternative view point on things, based on the glaring hypocrisy that is “liberalism”.
Nothing makes me happier than the selfish ignorance hypocrisy of the liberal shining strong.

If you want to assume things then fine, a fool assumes.

Alf Garnet ffs.......tragic.